Matt Tiabbi | S. 1867 – Indefinite Detention of American Citizens: Coming Soon to Battlefield U.S.A.

Indefinite Detention of American Citizens: Coming Soon to Battlefield U.S.A.

There’s some disturbing rhetoric flying around in the debate over the National Defense Authorization Act, which among other things contains passages that a) officially codify the already-accepted practice of indefinite detention of “terrorist” suspects, and b) transfer the responsibility for such detentions exclusively to the military.

The fact that there’s been only some muted public uproar about this provision (which, disturbingly enough, is the creature of Wall Street anti-corruption good guy Carl Levin, along with John McCain) is mildly surprising, given what’s been going on with the Occupy movement. Protesters in fact should be keenly interested in the potential applications of this provision, which essentially gives the executive branch unlimited powers to indefinitely detain terror suspects without trial.

The really galling thing is that this act specifically envisions American citizens falling under the authority of the bill. One of its supporters, the dependably-unlikeable Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, bragged that the law “basically says … for the first time that the homeland is part of the battlefield” and that people can be jailed without trial, be they “American citizen or not.” New Hampshire Republican Kelly Ayotte reiterated that “America is part of the battlefield.”

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Copy of the bill below…




9 Responses to “Matt Tiabbi | S. 1867 – Indefinite Detention of American Citizens: Coming Soon to Battlefield U.S.A.”
  1. P Nach above lied. I am writing to expose his lie. There are 2 sections 1031 and 1032. What P Nach does NOT say is that under 1031 the US military has the authority to pick up ANYONE, even American citizens.
    They are then given authority to export said person to a foreign country outside of legal jurisdiction for the purposes of an “interrogation” to determine if you are a “covered person.” If during this torture/interrogation session you admit you gave up your American citizenship to join whatever terrorist organization they say you joined, then you disappear forever. If you cling to being an American citizen then they can simply repeat the torture/interrogation proceedings until you give in. Once it is determined that you are a “covered person” then 1032 will no longer protect you. Liars like P Nach have also tried to say that this bill gives no new powers to the government. This lie is based on weasel words… it gives no new powers because the “interrogation” takes place outside US Legal Jurisdiction. This bill repeals the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights. How are you going to assert your “rights” at 3:00 a.m. in the morning with guns pointed in your face and a black bag thrown over your head as you’re tossed into a van? Once you are indefinitely detained, how are you going to appeal the law, since you never go to court? To sign this bill is a willful act of TREASON.

  2. lvent says:

    Thanks Matt for the heads up! You are one of my heroes! They are ALL for the most part, dirty rotten sneaks and traitors..and the proof is in the fact there are no lawyers in Illinois, OBAMAS HOME STATE, fighting for Homeowners and where in the hell is the FBI and the DOJ…? Shouldn’t the FBI be shutting down the fraudclosure mills by now? The DOJ is too busy gun running in Mexico and the FBI is too busy spying on all of us and shutting down American businesses like the Gibson Guitar factory for using exotic wood….all the while they are allowing the biggest robbery by the foreign owned and operated banks of the American people in history to go on unabated? It is a disgrace! The devils are all here and they are sneaking in Communism!!!..WAKE UP AMERICA!!

  3. P Nach says:

    Check your sources. From the very beginning of the reports on this subject, I went to the legislation and read it for myself and so should you!
    The initial report came from the ACLU and seeing how they had their panties in a wad, I knew something was amiss and boy was I right!
    EVERYONE should go directly to the legislation as presented in the US Senate and READ it! Good Grief, don’t take anyone’s word for what’s in the bill or for what’s not in the bill. Read it for yourselves!!!

    Link here:

    Text of bill section 1031:

    3 (b) COVERED PERSONS.—A covered person under
    4 this section is any person as follows:
    5 (1) A person who planned, authorized, com
    6 mitted, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred
    7 on September 11, 2001, or harbored those respon
    8 sible for those attacks.
    9 (2) A person who was a part of or substantially
    10 supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces
    11 that are engaged in hostilities against the United
    12 States or its coalition partners, including any person
    13 who has committed a belligerent act or has directly
    14 supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy
    15 forces.

    Text of bill section 1032:

    10 (1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS.—The require
    11 ment to detain a person in military custody under
    12 this section does not extend to citizens of the United
    13 States.
    14 (2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS.—The require
    15 ment to detain a person in military custody under
    16 this section does not extend to a lawful resident
    17 alien of the United States on the basis of conduct
    18 taking place within the United States, except to the
    19 extent permitted by the Constitution of the United
    20 States.

    It seems that some people are more concerned with the rights and privileges of the enemy abroad that are actively engaged in a war against us than with the safety and security of US citizens! Terrorists captured abroad do NOT have constitutional rights. Period!

    Now for the umpteenth time! This bill does not, in any way, shape or form, apply to US citizens!!! Enough already!

    • Jack Freedman says:

      The rights have already been taken, the point of this legislation would have made it *harder* to declare any American citizen a terrorist and have them sent away or killed without due process, which is the reason for Obummer’s veto threat. You, as an American citizen, can be killed by executive order, period.
      The ACLU actually tries to stop the theft of civil liberties, including those that are routinely ignored when a f&*king bank steals a house. You seem to have an issue with panties and the ACLU.

    • lvent says:

      P NACH…Are you awake? Because if you don’t see the commies have hijacked America you need to wake up..! Did you know that when we are at war the law is quiet..and WE ARE ALWAYS AT WAR…! WE ARE IN PERPETUAL WAR!! .only in extraordinary circumstances will CONgress or the Supreme Court step in to stop a President who is acting like a tyrant…Many Americans think that Obama has abused his power on many occassions and Congress is so corrupt and working for the enemy that they do nothing…or as Marcy Kaptur says…CONGRESS IS STYMIED..!!!.. .. Like when Obama declared war on Lybia from another country…or when he signed the Patriot act with his robo pen from Europe…Then there was EO 13528 which weakened the Posse Comitatus Act…Rahm Emanuel, the spawn of satan has already stated that next spring in Chicago they are expecting riots for the G-8 summit and they are bringing in the U.N….that is UNCONSTITUTIONAL my friend…! Do you remember when Congress did not want to raise the debt ceiling Obama threatened to overide congress with the 14th amendment…? There is an obscure Constitutional Clause in the 14th amendment that allows the President to override Congress…. Did you know that there is a rumor abounding that Obama, Geithner and their buddy George Soros got rich off of the S&P downgrade as well as 6 of the 8 Republicon super treasonist, super congress members….THEY ARE ALL TRAITORS…!!! Did you know that President Lincoln suspended the Writ of Habeas Corpus and thereby allowed the army to arrest and detain American Citizens without judiciary review? Congress did the right thing in that case and stopped it… Only Congress can suspend the Writ of Habeas Corpus but George Bush managed to do it with the Military Commission Act of 2006… Google FEMA CAMPS…Obama and Holder are also working hard to weaken our Second Amendment right to bear arms…The rumor is that is what Op Fast and Furious was all about…There is a rumor that Hillary Clinton was the mastermind behind that whole thing…What I see is there are a very many traitors from within and we are one manufactured disaster away from a NWO takeover of America…Right now we are hijacked, but if we keep allowing them to get away with everything we will be a completely Communist country..and what will come next will be even worse…TOTALITARIANISM…..That is why I am fighting my fraudclosure..I love my home but, this is not about a house…it is about the laws and the U.S. CONSTITUTION and the U.S. BILL OF RIGHTS that were put in place to protect us and how the NWO and all of their minions and cohorts are trying to usurp us…and make us an impoverished nation…a nation of renters…

  4. Pamela Edwards says:

    they can do this because people want things done for them and for the last 50 to 60 years it was easier to allow the government to play this role.Now our rights have been taken from us in a way thats never been done before.Welcome to the new regime and the new world order.

  5. Geoff Sanders says:

    How can Americans sit idly by and tolerate these things? Fear? Indifference? They don’t know?
    I’m going with “they don’t know”, because people won’t simply give away their rights to tyranny unless they are misled continuously. Obama wants “to use indefinite detention against anyone who “substantially supports” terror against the United States” What comes next? Trying to save your home from fraudclosure means you’re a “terrorist”? We know the Banksters, they’ll stop at nothing sometimes.

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