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	Comments on: Rocket Dockets to Start in Indian River County, Martin County, Saint Lucie County Beginning August 2010	</title>
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		By: Richard F. Kessler		</title>
		<link>https://4closurefraud.org/2010/07/03/rocket-dockets-to-start-in-indian-river-county-martin-county-saint-lucie-county-beginning-august-2010/#comment-405974</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard F. Kessler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2012 16:27:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Please feel free to use the Rocket Docket Annhiliator which I created for the 12th Circuit., It is available on the internet. I will also forward if you email me at richardfkessler@verizon.net. It is free, contains complete forms and instructions and will move the proceeding to a contested case docket.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please feel free to use the Rocket Docket Annhiliator which I created for the 12th Circuit., It is available on the internet. I will also forward if you email me at <a href="mailto:richardfkessler@verizon.net">richardfkessler@verizon.net</a>. It is free, contains complete forms and instructions and will move the proceeding to a contested case docket.</p>
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		By: divemedic		</title>
		<link>https://4closurefraud.org/2010/07/03/rocket-dockets-to-start-in-indian-river-county-martin-county-saint-lucie-county-beginning-august-2010/#comment-3116</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[divemedic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 09:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://4closurefraud.org/2010/07/03/rocket-dockets-to-start-in-indian-river-county-martin-county-saint-lucie-county-beginning-august-2010/#comment-3114&quot;&gt;Ben&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, but there are not very many banks who have done that, and damned few who were innocent victims. One other problem here is that the banks entered many of these contracts fraudulently. Under Glass-Steagall, banks were not incentivized to make good loans, but made money whether or not the loans were going to be paid back, so they made loans. Lots of them. They loaned to people that they knew didn&#039;t have a prayer of paying it back, using appraisers who were paid to over appraise property, then sold them to bundlers before the first payment was due, so they could use the money to make another loan to someone who couldn&#039;t pay.

The bundlers converted the loans into securities and rated as AAA by corrupt ratings companies, and sold this risky paper to unsuspecting victims (like my company&#039;s 401K) who are now left holding the bag while the bankers collect millions in bonuses that are being funded by my tax dollars.

The banks are NOT innocent victims here.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://4closurefraud.org/2010/07/03/rocket-dockets-to-start-in-indian-river-county-martin-county-saint-lucie-county-beginning-august-2010/#comment-3114">Ben</a>.</p>
<p>Yes, but there are not very many banks who have done that, and damned few who were innocent victims. One other problem here is that the banks entered many of these contracts fraudulently. Under Glass-Steagall, banks were not incentivized to make good loans, but made money whether or not the loans were going to be paid back, so they made loans. Lots of them. They loaned to people that they knew didn&#8217;t have a prayer of paying it back, using appraisers who were paid to over appraise property, then sold them to bundlers before the first payment was due, so they could use the money to make another loan to someone who couldn&#8217;t pay.</p>
<p>The bundlers converted the loans into securities and rated as AAA by corrupt ratings companies, and sold this risky paper to unsuspecting victims (like my company&#8217;s 401K) who are now left holding the bag while the bankers collect millions in bonuses that are being funded by my tax dollars.</p>
<p>The banks are NOT innocent victims here.</p>
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		By: Ben		</title>
		<link>https://4closurefraud.org/2010/07/03/rocket-dockets-to-start-in-indian-river-county-martin-county-saint-lucie-county-beginning-august-2010/#comment-3114</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 08:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://4closurefraud.org/2010/07/03/rocket-dockets-to-start-in-indian-river-county-martin-county-saint-lucie-county-beginning-august-2010/#comment-3109&quot;&gt;divemedic&lt;/a&gt;.

To answer your questions about the banks right to seize a property without proof, the answer is unequivically no.  But, for the same reason, a person does not have the right to hold property that is not theirs (just because they signed an IOU does not mean that something is theirs).  I agree with all of your requirements for a legal action to seize, but my question was more the belief that someone is entitled to hold a property (not the reverse).  I belive the banks behaved poorly, but if you look at the contracts, people willingly signed mortgages that state that the bank can sell off the note -- it is a procedural matter after that to prove who bought it and who then has the right to seize.  I would argue that the note signer has just as little right to hold as the banks to seize.   My follow-up question is this: do you believe that if the original bank had the note in hand, they could seize the property?  Assume they went through the federal process.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://4closurefraud.org/2010/07/03/rocket-dockets-to-start-in-indian-river-county-martin-county-saint-lucie-county-beginning-august-2010/#comment-3109">divemedic</a>.</p>
<p>To answer your questions about the banks right to seize a property without proof, the answer is unequivically no.  But, for the same reason, a person does not have the right to hold property that is not theirs (just because they signed an IOU does not mean that something is theirs).  I agree with all of your requirements for a legal action to seize, but my question was more the belief that someone is entitled to hold a property (not the reverse).  I belive the banks behaved poorly, but if you look at the contracts, people willingly signed mortgages that state that the bank can sell off the note &#8212; it is a procedural matter after that to prove who bought it and who then has the right to seize.  I would argue that the note signer has just as little right to hold as the banks to seize.   My follow-up question is this: do you believe that if the original bank had the note in hand, they could seize the property?  Assume they went through the federal process.</p>
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		By: divemedic		</title>
		<link>https://4closurefraud.org/2010/07/03/rocket-dockets-to-start-in-indian-river-county-martin-county-saint-lucie-county-beginning-august-2010/#comment-3109</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[divemedic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 02:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Ben: An even more important question: Does a bank have the right to take a home without having to prove that they are the owner of the note and mortgage, or is it enough for a bank to show that the homeowner isn&#039;t paying?
At what point does the bank have to prove that 1) they are the rightful holder of the note, 2) they also legally hold the mortgage, 3) that the homeowner is not making payments, and 4) that the bank has and is complying with Federal lending laws pertaining to foreclosure?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ben: An even more important question: Does a bank have the right to take a home without having to prove that they are the owner of the note and mortgage, or is it enough for a bank to show that the homeowner isn&#8217;t paying?<br />
At what point does the bank have to prove that 1) they are the rightful holder of the note, 2) they also legally hold the mortgage, 3) that the homeowner is not making payments, and 4) that the bank has and is complying with Federal lending laws pertaining to foreclosure?</p>
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		By: Ben		</title>
		<link>https://4closurefraud.org/2010/07/03/rocket-dockets-to-start-in-indian-river-county-martin-county-saint-lucie-county-beginning-august-2010/#comment-3044</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jul 2010 23:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I grew up in St Lucie county and plan to move back there soon.  Can someone explain to me the reasoning behind the assertion that the mortgage taker (note I do not say homeowner) has the right to keep something that they are not paying for?  I am not espousing that the rocket docket is the correct path, but at what point should someone take responsibility for their debt?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I grew up in St Lucie county and plan to move back there soon.  Can someone explain to me the reasoning behind the assertion that the mortgage taker (note I do not say homeowner) has the right to keep something that they are not paying for?  I am not espousing that the rocket docket is the correct path, but at what point should someone take responsibility for their debt?</p>
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		By: dormanmom		</title>
		<link>https://4closurefraud.org/2010/07/03/rocket-dockets-to-start-in-indian-river-county-martin-county-saint-lucie-county-beginning-august-2010/#comment-3027</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dormanmom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jul 2010 12:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So much for freedom.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So much for freedom.</p>
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		By: Capt. Jack		</title>
		<link>https://4closurefraud.org/2010/07/03/rocket-dockets-to-start-in-indian-river-county-martin-county-saint-lucie-county-beginning-august-2010/#comment-3015</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Capt. Jack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jul 2010 20:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is OUTRAGEOUS! Plain and simple!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is OUTRAGEOUS! Plain and simple!</p>
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		By: Richard F. Kessler		</title>
		<link>https://4closurefraud.org/2010/07/03/rocket-dockets-to-start-in-indian-river-county-martin-county-saint-lucie-county-beginning-august-2010/#comment-3011</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard F. Kessler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jul 2010 18:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Please be advised that Documentary Clearing House is about to release a set of legal forms and instruction to enable an attorney to bring the rocket docket proceeding to a grinding halt. Known as the Rocket Docket Annihilator, the materials will be -posted at documentaryclearinghouse.com . The materials may be downloaded for free and are being made available pro bono publico. Any person may obtain the materials. However, these documents are intended for the use of an attorney. DCH recommends that any person who downloads these materials bring them to an attorney and arrange to be represented by counsel. DCH does not recommend but cannot prevent use of these documents for a pro se appearance.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please be advised that Documentary Clearing House is about to release a set of legal forms and instruction to enable an attorney to bring the rocket docket proceeding to a grinding halt. Known as the Rocket Docket Annihilator, the materials will be -posted at documentaryclearinghouse.com . The materials may be downloaded for free and are being made available pro bono publico. Any person may obtain the materials. However, these documents are intended for the use of an attorney. DCH recommends that any person who downloads these materials bring them to an attorney and arrange to be represented by counsel. DCH does not recommend but cannot prevent use of these documents for a pro se appearance.</p>
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