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		By: Grady		</title>
		<link>https://4closurefraud.org/2010/09/08/comments-posted-to-our-daily-business-review-article-on-the-housing-meltdown/#comment-4939</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[I have been thinking about this lately. There is no question that our Judicial system is broken and fundamental rights and the rule of law are being ignored in many Courtrooms. Personally I believe that the “fix is” in. I believe that there will be a series of DCA rulings that “solve” the problems the Plaintiffs have with assignments, endorsements, etc., clearing they way for the fraud to be swept under the table. I believe the Florida Bar, and many Judges, are complicit in this effort, providing cover for the fraudsters. They know that few have the funds to appeal and those that do, will just be blown out, creating additional case law to “clean up” the problems as we saw in the recent DCA ruling. I really doubt, especially with McCollum’s loss that the AG office will really do much.

What do you think of organizing ongoing demonstrations in front of our Courthouses, naming names, and handing out copies of the fraudulent documents? What about demonstrations in front of the foreclosure mills and the Plaintiff’s’ branches? What about filing criminal complaints against the mills and Plaintiffs that resort to creating and filing fraudulent documents and the signers and creators of these documents for fraud? What about attempting to recall Judges that ignore the fraud, the FRCP, and the rules of evidence? What about a massive letter writing campaign to the newspapers, the legislators, major media, etc?  

I personally think that filing complaints with the Florida Bar and the AG office may result in little more than lip service. I have come to believe that the foxes are watching the hen house. 

The civil rights movement was successful because they marched even when denied permits, had sit-ins at lunch counters, refused to sit on the back of the bus. 

I think that now is the time to bring every effort to bring attention to what is occurring in Florida and across the nation before the DCAs create a body of precedent law that will further erode the rule of law and the Constitutional rights of Defendants to due process.  

Somehow, we must bring the attention of the national media and their investigative resources to bear on exposing “the end justifies the means” form of “justice” that is occurring in many Courtrooms today. 

With the foundation Lisa and Michael have laid, with their knowledge and contacts, they are the perfect one to organize such an effort. If such an effort could be mounted, we all need to devote the time to be willing foot soldiers. I know I will be.  What do you guys think?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been thinking about this lately. There is no question that our Judicial system is broken and fundamental rights and the rule of law are being ignored in many Courtrooms. Personally I believe that the “fix is” in. I believe that there will be a series of DCA rulings that “solve” the problems the Plaintiffs have with assignments, endorsements, etc., clearing they way for the fraud to be swept under the table. I believe the Florida Bar, and many Judges, are complicit in this effort, providing cover for the fraudsters. They know that few have the funds to appeal and those that do, will just be blown out, creating additional case law to “clean up” the problems as we saw in the recent DCA ruling. I really doubt, especially with McCollum’s loss that the AG office will really do much.</p>
<p>What do you think of organizing ongoing demonstrations in front of our Courthouses, naming names, and handing out copies of the fraudulent documents? What about demonstrations in front of the foreclosure mills and the Plaintiff’s’ branches? What about filing criminal complaints against the mills and Plaintiffs that resort to creating and filing fraudulent documents and the signers and creators of these documents for fraud? What about attempting to recall Judges that ignore the fraud, the FRCP, and the rules of evidence? What about a massive letter writing campaign to the newspapers, the legislators, major media, etc?  </p>
<p>I personally think that filing complaints with the Florida Bar and the AG office may result in little more than lip service. I have come to believe that the foxes are watching the hen house. </p>
<p>The civil rights movement was successful because they marched even when denied permits, had sit-ins at lunch counters, refused to sit on the back of the bus. </p>
<p>I think that now is the time to bring every effort to bring attention to what is occurring in Florida and across the nation before the DCAs create a body of precedent law that will further erode the rule of law and the Constitutional rights of Defendants to due process.  </p>
<p>Somehow, we must bring the attention of the national media and their investigative resources to bear on exposing “the end justifies the means” form of “justice” that is occurring in many Courtrooms today. </p>
<p>With the foundation Lisa and Michael have laid, with their knowledge and contacts, they are the perfect one to organize such an effort. If such an effort could be mounted, we all need to devote the time to be willing foot soldiers. I know I will be.  What do you guys think?</p>
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		By: Garen Waddell		</title>
		<link>https://4closurefraud.org/2010/09/08/comments-posted-to-our-daily-business-review-article-on-the-housing-meltdown/#comment-4937</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Garen Waddell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Sep 2010 20:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It fascinates me how &quot;We the Sheeple&quot; are guffawed by this foreclosure debacle. This is nothing new in our court system when the Good Ole Boys Club thumb their noses at us and continue on with their business as usual. Reminds me of the childhood fable of The Emperor&#039;s New Clothes (Close?). In that case, all it took was one small child to say, &quot;Hey, he ain&#039;t got nothing on! He&#039;s naked!&quot;. So much for happy endings of fairy tales. 

I commend these two and others like them who have taken up the banner for the fight, but the problem is systemic and will not be rectified after the fact. We can scream &quot;NAKED&quot; forever and it won&#039;t matter.  What does matter is the threat of job-loss to our Political Leaders.  They dropped the ball and are accountable. Wake up America and join in to take back our Republic.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It fascinates me how &#8220;We the Sheeple&#8221; are guffawed by this foreclosure debacle. This is nothing new in our court system when the Good Ole Boys Club thumb their noses at us and continue on with their business as usual. Reminds me of the childhood fable of The Emperor&#8217;s New Clothes (Close?). In that case, all it took was one small child to say, &#8220;Hey, he ain&#8217;t got nothing on! He&#8217;s naked!&#8221;. So much for happy endings of fairy tales. </p>
<p>I commend these two and others like them who have taken up the banner for the fight, but the problem is systemic and will not be rectified after the fact. We can scream &#8220;NAKED&#8221; forever and it won&#8217;t matter.  What does matter is the threat of job-loss to our Political Leaders.  They dropped the ball and are accountable. Wake up America and join in to take back our Republic.</p>
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		By: ian sopko		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ian sopko]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 13:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have come to the conclusion that,until every securitized mortgage has been foreclosed, this litany of horrors will not stop. Then,they, whoever they are, can begin anew with a fresh slate. Supposedly.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have come to the conclusion that,until every securitized mortgage has been foreclosed, this litany of horrors will not stop. Then,they, whoever they are, can begin anew with a fresh slate. Supposedly.</p>
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		By: Grady		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Grady]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 09:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[EF, You wrote...&quot;Those of you thinking of going Pro Se, DON’T. Get a recommendation from Lisa or Michael. The game is rigged!&quot; That&#039;s great advice however for many Pro Se Defendants, there is no other choice. The fraudsters know this and take full advantage of this reality as they perpetrate their fraud, often under the&quot;blind eye&quot; and in many cases, the complicity of the Court.  Therein lies the problem. Regards]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EF, You wrote&#8230;&#8221;Those of you thinking of going Pro Se, DON’T. Get a recommendation from Lisa or Michael. The game is rigged!&#8221; That&#8217;s great advice however for many Pro Se Defendants, there is no other choice. The fraudsters know this and take full advantage of this reality as they perpetrate their fraud, often under the&#8221;blind eye&#8221; and in many cases, the complicity of the Court.  Therein lies the problem. Regards</p>
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		By: Kathy Utiss (topguncrdtadvsr)		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kathy Utiss (topguncrdtadvsr)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 04:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I commend all the people for their hard work. I&#039;ve gone full circle from being one of the top 3rd party mortgage collectors nationally for NARS(National Asset Recovery Services, Inc.) to now being a &quot;DEADBEAT&quot; for the way I have to pay my bills. 

I can show verifyable proof that no AMOUNT OF MONEY is good enough to stop these theives here in MO. There&#039;s 50 states, their not much united for the GOOD of the every day AMERICAN trying to make a difference. A legitimate banker with the right to sell a valid product is all that is needed. Whether it be mortgage notes, gold, or currency. Yet you can&#039;t get them to do proper business. In any other state it seems I would of gotten help. Geez a valid banking product and 5 days til money moves. Think it can happen? NOT ON YOUR LIFE!


I sure hope they nail these guys to the wall! Shapiro &#038; Stern. I&#039;d sure like to be there and provide my evidence. Paycheck stubs, contracts, proof of bankers waiting to do proper business even legitimate attorneys. Yet all most of us find is an impartial and biased judge who wouldn&#039;t believe what I have to tell them. Totally shut down for attempting to  making sure this nightmare doesn&#039;t happen. 

Instead of promoting fairness and a chance to succeed its let me provide this amount of fraud. Let me let your attorney lie to you w/o no reprcussions. Let me DENY you a fair chance at a good livelihood. There is no justice for all. Not when there&#039;s the banking cartel we have in place in charge. Get them all out! Vett them do background checks for NOV.  Whose REALLY willing to WORK for FREE for the good of this country? I have. To no end. Yet all I get for always attempting to do right is nothing but an OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE! It&#039;s very disheartening when no one will listen or help. Or is tired of listening. For everyone that doesn&#039;t have a way to help I came up with a really good way yet here we are!

I&#039;ll still be fighting regardless of who cares! I&#039;ll pray they start putting the REAL CRIMINALS BEHIND BARS! To not be given the opportunity to defend yourself is disheartening. To have your own attorney lie about you and to you is as well. It would be different if they didn&#039;t get by with lying about the right to sell mortgage notes for one of the largest banks in the world. They know this! They know exactly what their doing and have done. Yet no one has to answer for keeping corrupt judges on the bench. If they don&#039;t do their job get them outta here! 

I&#039;d sure like to be paid what a judge is paid to STEAL! Maybe someone needs to investigate why all states aren&#039;t going after these losers is beyond me. I guess the CORRUPTION PAYS WELL!

God bless everyone going thru this nightmare! We need someone to BELIEVE IN. Most everything we&#039;ve been taught to believe in has been oblivated. We&#039;re lucky so far there&#039;s NOT OUTRIGHT WAR IN OUR STREETS!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I commend all the people for their hard work. I&#8217;ve gone full circle from being one of the top 3rd party mortgage collectors nationally for NARS(National Asset Recovery Services, Inc.) to now being a &#8220;DEADBEAT&#8221; for the way I have to pay my bills. </p>
<p>I can show verifyable proof that no AMOUNT OF MONEY is good enough to stop these theives here in MO. There&#8217;s 50 states, their not much united for the GOOD of the every day AMERICAN trying to make a difference. A legitimate banker with the right to sell a valid product is all that is needed. Whether it be mortgage notes, gold, or currency. Yet you can&#8217;t get them to do proper business. In any other state it seems I would of gotten help. Geez a valid banking product and 5 days til money moves. Think it can happen? NOT ON YOUR LIFE!</p>
<p>I sure hope they nail these guys to the wall! Shapiro &amp; Stern. I&#8217;d sure like to be there and provide my evidence. Paycheck stubs, contracts, proof of bankers waiting to do proper business even legitimate attorneys. Yet all most of us find is an impartial and biased judge who wouldn&#8217;t believe what I have to tell them. Totally shut down for attempting to  making sure this nightmare doesn&#8217;t happen. </p>
<p>Instead of promoting fairness and a chance to succeed its let me provide this amount of fraud. Let me let your attorney lie to you w/o no reprcussions. Let me DENY you a fair chance at a good livelihood. There is no justice for all. Not when there&#8217;s the banking cartel we have in place in charge. Get them all out! Vett them do background checks for NOV.  Whose REALLY willing to WORK for FREE for the good of this country? I have. To no end. Yet all I get for always attempting to do right is nothing but an OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE! It&#8217;s very disheartening when no one will listen or help. Or is tired of listening. For everyone that doesn&#8217;t have a way to help I came up with a really good way yet here we are!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll still be fighting regardless of who cares! I&#8217;ll pray they start putting the REAL CRIMINALS BEHIND BARS! To not be given the opportunity to defend yourself is disheartening. To have your own attorney lie about you and to you is as well. It would be different if they didn&#8217;t get by with lying about the right to sell mortgage notes for one of the largest banks in the world. They know this! They know exactly what their doing and have done. Yet no one has to answer for keeping corrupt judges on the bench. If they don&#8217;t do their job get them outta here! </p>
<p>I&#8217;d sure like to be paid what a judge is paid to STEAL! Maybe someone needs to investigate why all states aren&#8217;t going after these losers is beyond me. I guess the CORRUPTION PAYS WELL!</p>
<p>God bless everyone going thru this nightmare! We need someone to BELIEVE IN. Most everything we&#8217;ve been taught to believe in has been oblivated. We&#8217;re lucky so far there&#8217;s NOT OUTRIGHT WAR IN OUR STREETS!</p>
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		By: Equity Free		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Equity Free]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 03:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A huge heartfelt thank you to Lisa and Michael for exposing this unknown practice of making up fraudulent documents and rocketing them through summary judgments.  We always thought we would have our day in court.  Those of you thinking of going Pro Se, DON&#039;T.  Get a recommendation from Lisa or Michael. The game is rigged!  David J. Stern and the other foreclosure mills have an enormous head start on us. They have the largest banks in the country as clients and the courts do not want to hear the borrower&#039;s side. Now, armed with the knowledge these 2 have exposed we need to spread  this to friends, family, people on the street,  and neighbors.  Our economic malaise is directly linked to this mortgage foreclosure fraud which coincides almost to the day of the 2 year anniversary of the meltdown.

In Solidarity,
EF]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A huge heartfelt thank you to Lisa and Michael for exposing this unknown practice of making up fraudulent documents and rocketing them through summary judgments.  We always thought we would have our day in court.  Those of you thinking of going Pro Se, DON&#8217;T.  Get a recommendation from Lisa or Michael. The game is rigged!  David J. Stern and the other foreclosure mills have an enormous head start on us. They have the largest banks in the country as clients and the courts do not want to hear the borrower&#8217;s side. Now, armed with the knowledge these 2 have exposed we need to spread  this to friends, family, people on the street,  and neighbors.  Our economic malaise is directly linked to this mortgage foreclosure fraud which coincides almost to the day of the 2 year anniversary of the meltdown.</p>
<p>In Solidarity,<br />
EF</p>
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		By: Grady		</title>
		<link>https://4closurefraud.org/2010/09/08/comments-posted-to-our-daily-business-review-article-on-the-housing-meltdown/#comment-4842</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Grady]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 15:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you to Lisa and Michael as well as all of the other brave foreclosure fighters out there. I have been fighting a foreclosure for almost two years. I have experienced many of the things mentioned in the article first hand. The Plaintiffs and the fraudsters that represent them are being allowed to get away with behavior that would land a Defendant in jail. Lawlessness prevails in many of our Courtrooms. The system is broken and many of the “officers of the Court” have thrown the Constitution, the Rule of Law, The FRCP, justice, and due process on the trash heap. Fraud by the Plaintiffs and the con artists that represent them is rampant and unchecked. The reality is many of our Courts are operating as if Florida is a non-judicial state with the Judges just “applying the rubber stamp and their blessings” as they grant summary judgment. On a broader scale, the “fix is in” and I believe that we will see broader and broader ruling by the Appellate Courts in an attempt to “cover-up” the truth. Our only hope is to bring this travesty to the attention of nation or a series of class action suits. The Florida Bar is  worthless and is simply providing cover for the fraudsters. Have filed FIVE valid complaints with the Florida Bar concerning ethical violations and violations of the FRCP and all were simply blown off. Again, thank you to all those that are fighting the good fight.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you to Lisa and Michael as well as all of the other brave foreclosure fighters out there. I have been fighting a foreclosure for almost two years. I have experienced many of the things mentioned in the article first hand. The Plaintiffs and the fraudsters that represent them are being allowed to get away with behavior that would land a Defendant in jail. Lawlessness prevails in many of our Courtrooms. The system is broken and many of the “officers of the Court” have thrown the Constitution, the Rule of Law, The FRCP, justice, and due process on the trash heap. Fraud by the Plaintiffs and the con artists that represent them is rampant and unchecked. The reality is many of our Courts are operating as if Florida is a non-judicial state with the Judges just “applying the rubber stamp and their blessings” as they grant summary judgment. On a broader scale, the “fix is in” and I believe that we will see broader and broader ruling by the Appellate Courts in an attempt to “cover-up” the truth. Our only hope is to bring this travesty to the attention of nation or a series of class action suits. The Florida Bar is  worthless and is simply providing cover for the fraudsters. Have filed FIVE valid complaints with the Florida Bar concerning ethical violations and violations of the FRCP and all were simply blown off. Again, thank you to all those that are fighting the good fight.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 15:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great article and work to help us all.

 One thing I never see discussed that affects so many is:
 Looking ahead, whenever you paid your home loan (according to your agreement with the original company) off regardless of how many years you agreed to pay monthly or by making a lump sum for the balance, who would send you the original note marked paid in full? Who even has it?
 Wouldn&#039;t it be tragic if you paid as agreed and someone you didn&#039;t even know existed said you still owed some nunber of yeras more!
 Its very important to know who has the original note and not a replacement with how many changes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article and work to help us all.</p>
<p> One thing I never see discussed that affects so many is:<br />
 Looking ahead, whenever you paid your home loan (according to your agreement with the original company) off regardless of how many years you agreed to pay monthly or by making a lump sum for the balance, who would send you the original note marked paid in full? Who even has it?<br />
 Wouldn&#8217;t it be tragic if you paid as agreed and someone you didn&#8217;t even know existed said you still owed some nunber of yeras more!<br />
 Its very important to know who has the original note and not a replacement with how many changes.</p>
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		By: Lori Bangor		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lori Bangor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 15:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Excellent article about two amazing people who so graciously give up their time working tirelessly for the &quot;UNDERDOG&quot;.  Their efforts, together with several fine Defense attorneys, have resulted in a local defense bar that is knowledgable about the issues and vocal in our opposition to the &quot;rocket docket&quot;.  Many of us are taking these &quot;kangaroo court&quot; cases to the appellate courts and this publicity is critical in educating the appellate judges about the travesties that are taking place in our trial courts.  We must keep fighting this battle until the Rules of Evidence and the Rules of Civil Procedure mean something in our court rooms again.  Thank you Lisa and Michael for all you do and thank you Ms. Iuspa-Abbot for shining a light on the dark and dirty business of foreclosure in Florida.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent article about two amazing people who so graciously give up their time working tirelessly for the &#8220;UNDERDOG&#8221;.  Their efforts, together with several fine Defense attorneys, have resulted in a local defense bar that is knowledgable about the issues and vocal in our opposition to the &#8220;rocket docket&#8221;.  Many of us are taking these &#8220;kangaroo court&#8221; cases to the appellate courts and this publicity is critical in educating the appellate judges about the travesties that are taking place in our trial courts.  We must keep fighting this battle until the Rules of Evidence and the Rules of Civil Procedure mean something in our court rooms again.  Thank you Lisa and Michael for all you do and thank you Ms. Iuspa-Abbot for shining a light on the dark and dirty business of foreclosure in Florida.</p>
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