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	Comments on: Action Alert &#8211; It&#8217;s Back! H.R. 3808 Interstate Recognition of Notarization Act of 2010	</title>
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		By: MK		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MK]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 03:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://4closurefraud.org/2010/11/16/action-alert-its-back-h-r-3808-interstate-recognition-of-notarization-act-of-2010/#comment-12880&quot;&gt;M E.C.&lt;/a&gt;.

The thing you forget is that these people in congress are basicaly failures in their chosen profession.  Most are anyway.  They go to law school and some may actually have passed the BAR exam, then they go into practice and fail. So they fall back on politics.  In politics they instantly become experts of every topic. That aside, this resolution like most legislation that gets brought to a vote have very disturbing wording in them someplace that goes...&quot;blah blah blah gives congress to enforce the contents of this act  and of other matters.&quot;  It&#039;s the &quot;of other  matters&quot; that has always rubbed me wrong.  It basically gives an open ended ability to enforcement of the act using any post facto means.  Ie. They are not sure what might come up so to safe we&#039;ll just give ourselves unlimited authority to bring anyone up on charges in violation of this legislation.  This type of authoring of legislation has been going on now for how long? anyway, it is only one of the reasons why it seems these crooks constantly do whatever they want no matter what the general concensus may be.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://4closurefraud.org/2010/11/16/action-alert-its-back-h-r-3808-interstate-recognition-of-notarization-act-of-2010/#comment-12880">M E.C.</a>.</p>
<p>The thing you forget is that these people in congress are basicaly failures in their chosen profession.  Most are anyway.  They go to law school and some may actually have passed the BAR exam, then they go into practice and fail. So they fall back on politics.  In politics they instantly become experts of every topic. That aside, this resolution like most legislation that gets brought to a vote have very disturbing wording in them someplace that goes&#8230;&#8221;blah blah blah gives congress to enforce the contents of this act  and of other matters.&#8221;  It&#8217;s the &#8220;of other  matters&#8221; that has always rubbed me wrong.  It basically gives an open ended ability to enforcement of the act using any post facto means.  Ie. They are not sure what might come up so to safe we&#8217;ll just give ourselves unlimited authority to bring anyone up on charges in violation of this legislation.  This type of authoring of legislation has been going on now for how long? anyway, it is only one of the reasons why it seems these crooks constantly do whatever they want no matter what the general concensus may be.</p>
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		By: Tarkin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tarkin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2010 22:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This act will cause the States to ask for the reinstatement of the 10th Amendment; for the Bill of Rights to be made whole again.

The Supreme Court once said the 10th Amendment was unenforceable because it was “redundant”.  If the ideals in a Constitutional Amendment are redundant, they are by definition enforceable because the are otherwise stated in the Constitution. Clearly that Supreme Court was corrupt in its thinking. 

Enjoy the passing of the IRON Act and the re-birth of the 10th Amendment.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This act will cause the States to ask for the reinstatement of the 10th Amendment; for the Bill of Rights to be made whole again.</p>
<p>The Supreme Court once said the 10th Amendment was unenforceable because it was “redundant”.  If the ideals in a Constitutional Amendment are redundant, they are by definition enforceable because the are otherwise stated in the Constitution. Clearly that Supreme Court was corrupt in its thinking. </p>
<p>Enjoy the passing of the IRON Act and the re-birth of the 10th Amendment.</p>
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		By: Stupendous Man - Defender of Liberty - Foe of Tyranny		</title>
		<link>https://4closurefraud.org/2010/11/16/action-alert-its-back-h-r-3808-interstate-recognition-of-notarization-act-of-2010/#comment-12955</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stupendous Man - Defender of Liberty - Foe of Tyranny]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2010 20:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://4closurefraud.org/2010/11/16/action-alert-its-back-h-r-3808-interstate-recognition-of-notarization-act-of-2010/#comment-12929&quot;&gt;LOL&lt;/a&gt;.

There are better forums to engage in religious debates than this one. I would appreciate it if ALL you folks - on both sides of this aisle - would self monitor your comments and keep this forum, whose sole purpose is exposing and stopping FORECLOSURE FRAUD, from loosing site and focus on that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://4closurefraud.org/2010/11/16/action-alert-its-back-h-r-3808-interstate-recognition-of-notarization-act-of-2010/#comment-12929">LOL</a>.</p>
<p>There are better forums to engage in religious debates than this one. I would appreciate it if ALL you folks &#8211; on both sides of this aisle &#8211; would self monitor your comments and keep this forum, whose sole purpose is exposing and stopping FORECLOSURE FRAUD, from loosing site and focus on that.</p>
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		By: Sal		</title>
		<link>https://4closurefraud.org/2010/11/16/action-alert-its-back-h-r-3808-interstate-recognition-of-notarization-act-of-2010/#comment-12946</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2010 18:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://4closurefraud.org/2010/11/16/action-alert-its-back-h-r-3808-interstate-recognition-of-notarization-act-of-2010/#comment-12929&quot;&gt;LOL&lt;/a&gt;.

An atheist was walking through the woods one day in Alaska admiring all that evolution had created.

&quot;What majestic trees ! 

What a powerful river ! 

What beautiful animals!&quot; he said to himself. 


As he walked alongside the river he heard a rustling in the bushes behind him. Turning to look, he saw a 13 foot Kodiak bear beginning to charge toward him. He ran as fast as he could down the path. He looked over his shoulder and saw that the bear was rapidly closing on him. Somehow he ran even faster, so scared that tears came to his eyes. He looked again and the bear was even closer. His heart pounding in his chest he tried to run even faster yet. But alas, he tripped and fell to the ground. As he rolled over to pick himself up he saw the bear reaching for him with his left paw and raising his right paw to deliver a killing blow. 


&quot;OH MY GOD !&quot; he pleadingly screamed.

Time stopped.
The bear froze.
The forest was silent.
Even the powerful river stopped flowing.

A brilliant light shone upon the man and a thunderous voice came from all around,
&quot;YOU DENY MY EXISTENCE FOR ALL THESE YEARS. YOU TEACH OTHERS THAT I DON&#039;T EXIST. YOU EVEN CREDIT CREATION TO SOME COSMIC ACCIDENT. DO YOU EXPECT ME TO HELP YOU OUT OF THIS PREDICAMENT? AM I TO COUNT YOU AS A BELIEVER? &quot;

Difficult as it was, the atheist looked directly into the light and said, &quot;It would be hypocritical to ask to be a Christian after all these years and under these circumstances but perhaps you could make the bear a Christian? &quot; 

&quot;VERY WELL&quot; said the voice.

The light went out.
The river ran.
The sounds of the forest resumed.

The huge bear dropped down on his knees, brought both paws together, bowed and spoke............ 
&quot;Lord, thank you for this food which I am about to receive.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://4closurefraud.org/2010/11/16/action-alert-its-back-h-r-3808-interstate-recognition-of-notarization-act-of-2010/#comment-12929">LOL</a>.</p>
<p>An atheist was walking through the woods one day in Alaska admiring all that evolution had created.</p>
<p>&#8220;What majestic trees ! </p>
<p>What a powerful river ! </p>
<p>What beautiful animals!&#8221; he said to himself. </p>
<p>As he walked alongside the river he heard a rustling in the bushes behind him. Turning to look, he saw a 13 foot Kodiak bear beginning to charge toward him. He ran as fast as he could down the path. He looked over his shoulder and saw that the bear was rapidly closing on him. Somehow he ran even faster, so scared that tears came to his eyes. He looked again and the bear was even closer. His heart pounding in his chest he tried to run even faster yet. But alas, he tripped and fell to the ground. As he rolled over to pick himself up he saw the bear reaching for him with his left paw and raising his right paw to deliver a killing blow. </p>
<p>&#8220;OH MY GOD !&#8221; he pleadingly screamed.</p>
<p>Time stopped.<br />
The bear froze.<br />
The forest was silent.<br />
Even the powerful river stopped flowing.</p>
<p>A brilliant light shone upon the man and a thunderous voice came from all around,<br />
&#8220;YOU DENY MY EXISTENCE FOR ALL THESE YEARS. YOU TEACH OTHERS THAT I DON&#8217;T EXIST. YOU EVEN CREDIT CREATION TO SOME COSMIC ACCIDENT. DO YOU EXPECT ME TO HELP YOU OUT OF THIS PREDICAMENT? AM I TO COUNT YOU AS A BELIEVER? &#8221;</p>
<p>Difficult as it was, the atheist looked directly into the light and said, &#8220;It would be hypocritical to ask to be a Christian after all these years and under these circumstances but perhaps you could make the bear a Christian? &#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;VERY WELL&#8221; said the voice.</p>
<p>The light went out.<br />
The river ran.<br />
The sounds of the forest resumed.</p>
<p>The huge bear dropped down on his knees, brought both paws together, bowed and spoke&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;<br />
&#8220;Lord, thank you for this food which I am about to receive.&#8221;</p>
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		By: LOL		</title>
		<link>https://4closurefraud.org/2010/11/16/action-alert-its-back-h-r-3808-interstate-recognition-of-notarization-act-of-2010/#comment-12929</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LOL]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2010 17:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://4closurefraud.org/2010/11/16/action-alert-its-back-h-r-3808-interstate-recognition-of-notarization-act-of-2010/#comment-12772&quot;&gt;l vent&lt;/a&gt;.

You seriously think an imaginary being will intervene on your behalf? You people are sick in the head and quite arrogant to think that first, all of the universe was created with only humanity in mind and secondly that if your imaginary friend did create all of this, that deity would intervene in foreclosure issues.

Let me guess, you prayed and something happened in your life. You probably peed on the same day to, why not attribute that or maybe because you road a bike or drove a car. You can start to see how silly believing that praying accomplishes anything aside from peace of mind and a waste of time.

Take your god crap and stuff it. this is about politics and real, tangible things and ideas.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://4closurefraud.org/2010/11/16/action-alert-its-back-h-r-3808-interstate-recognition-of-notarization-act-of-2010/#comment-12772">l vent</a>.</p>
<p>You seriously think an imaginary being will intervene on your behalf? You people are sick in the head and quite arrogant to think that first, all of the universe was created with only humanity in mind and secondly that if your imaginary friend did create all of this, that deity would intervene in foreclosure issues.</p>
<p>Let me guess, you prayed and something happened in your life. You probably peed on the same day to, why not attribute that or maybe because you road a bike or drove a car. You can start to see how silly believing that praying accomplishes anything aside from peace of mind and a waste of time.</p>
<p>Take your god crap and stuff it. this is about politics and real, tangible things and ideas.</p>
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		By: Elaine W.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Elaine W.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2010 14:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://4closurefraud.org/2010/11/16/action-alert-its-back-h-r-3808-interstate-recognition-of-notarization-act-of-2010/#comment-12899&quot;&gt;Canuck&lt;/a&gt;.

Keep track of what Congress and Senate do with this link.  You can also hold your state official accountable and ask intelligent questions or even hold their feet to the fire with this type of knowledge. http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.govtrack.us/&#038;sa=U&#038;ei=ceXjTLOaDIn2swOMmsBm&#038;ved=0CA0QFjAA&#038;usg=AFQjCNGNCULZSUZPBGWGxwu5wJzWPHIw9g]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://4closurefraud.org/2010/11/16/action-alert-its-back-h-r-3808-interstate-recognition-of-notarization-act-of-2010/#comment-12899">Canuck</a>.</p>
<p>Keep track of what Congress and Senate do with this link.  You can also hold your state official accountable and ask intelligent questions or even hold their feet to the fire with this type of knowledge. <a href="http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.govtrack.us/&#038;sa=U&#038;ei=ceXjTLOaDIn2swOMmsBm&#038;ved=0CA0QFjAA&#038;usg=AFQjCNGNCULZSUZPBGWGxwu5wJzWPHIw9g" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.govtrack.us/&#038;sa=U&#038;ei=ceXjTLOaDIn2swOMmsBm&#038;ved=0CA0QFjAA&#038;usg=AFQjCNGNCULZSUZPBGWGxwu5wJzWPHIw9g</a></p>
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		By: Canuck		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Canuck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2010 13:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://4closurefraud.org/2010/11/16/action-alert-its-back-h-r-3808-interstate-recognition-of-notarization-act-of-2010/#comment-12861&quot;&gt;Sal&lt;/a&gt;.

You forget the House passed it unanimously the first time round. Obama pocket-vetoed it. Election coming and all...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://4closurefraud.org/2010/11/16/action-alert-its-back-h-r-3808-interstate-recognition-of-notarization-act-of-2010/#comment-12861">Sal</a>.</p>
<p>You forget the House passed it unanimously the first time round. Obama pocket-vetoed it. Election coming and all&#8230;</p>
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		By: MARIO KENNY		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MARIO KENNY]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2010 12:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[so they will have to change the UCC, and the federal banking laws, and many other state and bankruptcy laws to go with all this, even the constitution has to be changed]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so they will have to change the UCC, and the federal banking laws, and many other state and bankruptcy laws to go with all this, even the constitution has to be changed</p>
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		By: M E.C.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[M E.C.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2010 11:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The question is whether this was a pocket  veto because the House was not in session within the ten day time frame that the President had to sign or veto the bill. For a veto, the Bill must be returned to the chamber from whence it commenced, otherwise it is a pocket veto. A pocket veto is considered to be the responsibility of Congress not the President, thus the veto cannot be over ridden by 2/3 majority in the House and Senate and the Bill must be reintroduced in some other form.

There is interesting analysis of this on the senate website and whether this was an actual veto or a pocket veto is up for debate.

Given the fact that robo signers have already admitted that this electronic process is being mal used by the Banks and Servicers using a notary&#039;s stamp without the notary being present or fulfilling the legal requirements of notarization, Congress might as well eliminate notaries entirely because that is the effect of that bill.

Given that technology is creating the need to revamp our legal system, it would behoove our leaders to examine more carefully the pros, cons and consequences  (unintended and intended)of the bills they pass and where, as here, it affects state law, requisition the input of the states and first determine a uniform standard for notaries that is acceptable to all states prior to accepting the most minimal state standards and arbitrarily imposing those (lack of) standards on the entire country. What a travesty!!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question is whether this was a pocket  veto because the House was not in session within the ten day time frame that the President had to sign or veto the bill. For a veto, the Bill must be returned to the chamber from whence it commenced, otherwise it is a pocket veto. A pocket veto is considered to be the responsibility of Congress not the President, thus the veto cannot be over ridden by 2/3 majority in the House and Senate and the Bill must be reintroduced in some other form.</p>
<p>There is interesting analysis of this on the senate website and whether this was an actual veto or a pocket veto is up for debate.</p>
<p>Given the fact that robo signers have already admitted that this electronic process is being mal used by the Banks and Servicers using a notary&#8217;s stamp without the notary being present or fulfilling the legal requirements of notarization, Congress might as well eliminate notaries entirely because that is the effect of that bill.</p>
<p>Given that technology is creating the need to revamp our legal system, it would behoove our leaders to examine more carefully the pros, cons and consequences  (unintended and intended)of the bills they pass and where, as here, it affects state law, requisition the input of the states and first determine a uniform standard for notaries that is acceptable to all states prior to accepting the most minimal state standards and arbitrarily imposing those (lack of) standards on the entire country. What a travesty!!!</p>
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		By: Sal		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2010 06:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&quot;and the bill shall be postponed until the legislative day of Wednesday, Nov. 17, 2010; and that on that legislative day, the House shall proceed to the constitutional question of reconsideration and dispose of such question without intervening motion. Agreed to without objection.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I read that quote differently then what you do.  To me it says that on that day the House shall consider the constitutional question of reconsideration and dispose of it without having someone make the motion.

In other words, all vetoes have to come back to the House to put the President&#039;s response into the journal and be reconsidered but rather than actually reconsidering it as constitutionally required, they are deeming it reconsidered and dispose of the bill without a motion.


There does not seem to be anything to worry about this time anyway.  At lease that is my opinion on the matter.  This just seems to be a procedural matter of finalizing the bill and closing it from further consideration.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;and the bill shall be postponed until the legislative day of Wednesday, Nov. 17, 2010; and that on that legislative day, the House shall proceed to the constitutional question of reconsideration and dispose of such question without intervening motion. Agreed to without objection.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I read that quote differently then what you do.  To me it says that on that day the House shall consider the constitutional question of reconsideration and dispose of it without having someone make the motion.</p>
<p>In other words, all vetoes have to come back to the House to put the President&#8217;s response into the journal and be reconsidered but rather than actually reconsidering it as constitutionally required, they are deeming it reconsidered and dispose of the bill without a motion.</p>
<p>There does not seem to be anything to worry about this time anyway.  At lease that is my opinion on the matter.  This just seems to be a procedural matter of finalizing the bill and closing it from further consideration.</p>
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