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		By: PATRICK FARRELL		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PATRICK FARRELL]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2010 15:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://4closurefraud.org/2010/11/17/victory-on-h-r-3808-vote-so-who-is-who-and-what-is-what/#comment-13247&quot;&gt;Elyse&lt;/a&gt;.

Sounds good to me.My shrink said I should find a way to speak in public, since I am soo shy.
Just kidding.I have a big mouth, a Pro Se litigant who has and is beating the lawyers at their own game.
I have been complaining about this years before everyone else.
I have THE answer to all these financial problems.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://4closurefraud.org/2010/11/17/victory-on-h-r-3808-vote-so-who-is-who-and-what-is-what/#comment-13247">Elyse</a>.</p>
<p>Sounds good to me.My shrink said I should find a way to speak in public, since I am soo shy.<br />
Just kidding.I have a big mouth, a Pro Se litigant who has and is beating the lawyers at their own game.<br />
I have been complaining about this years before everyone else.<br />
I have THE answer to all these financial problems.</p>
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		By: PATRICK FARRELL		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PATRICK FARRELL]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2010 15:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Kill all Republicans, and America will recover.
Allow them to live, and the evil ILLUMINATI [the world&#039;s rich] will continue to use these puppets [republicans]
to bribe them to do their bidding. That is all that is going on.
Charge all republicans with Treason, if found guilty, kill them all, by handind them over to a new breed of law enforcement,all Muslims,who love to judge and kill.
Oh by the way, I am not joking here.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kill all Republicans, and America will recover.<br />
Allow them to live, and the evil ILLUMINATI [the world&#8217;s rich] will continue to use these puppets [republicans]<br />
to bribe them to do their bidding. That is all that is going on.<br />
Charge all republicans with Treason, if found guilty, kill them all, by handind them over to a new breed of law enforcement,all Muslims,who love to judge and kill.<br />
Oh by the way, I am not joking here.</p>
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		By: Russell Keith Davis		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Russell Keith Davis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Nov 2010 12:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://4closurefraud.org/2010/11/17/victory-on-h-r-3808-vote-so-who-is-who-and-what-is-what/#comment-13053&quot;&gt;Nelson J Velardo&lt;/a&gt;.

Then, it&#039;s your right to be pissed and to have a good one while at it. 

Frankly - I&#039;m tired of Fools saying there is no God, but I&#039;m not loathe enough to expend useless verbage upon them, unless they dare insist me or those of similar mind join their folly of denial....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://4closurefraud.org/2010/11/17/victory-on-h-r-3808-vote-so-who-is-who-and-what-is-what/#comment-13053">Nelson J Velardo</a>.</p>
<p>Then, it&#8217;s your right to be pissed and to have a good one while at it. </p>
<p>Frankly &#8211; I&#8217;m tired of Fools saying there is no God, but I&#8217;m not loathe enough to expend useless verbage upon them, unless they dare insist me or those of similar mind join their folly of denial&#8230;.</p>
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		By: RAMONA		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RAMONA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Nov 2010 04:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://4closurefraud.org/2010/11/17/victory-on-h-r-3808-vote-so-who-is-who-and-what-is-what/#comment-13142&quot;&gt;l vent&lt;/a&gt;.

they are all the same ones I vent who deny your god that also deny the rights of others and rob us of our dreams .]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://4closurefraud.org/2010/11/17/victory-on-h-r-3808-vote-so-who-is-who-and-what-is-what/#comment-13142">l vent</a>.</p>
<p>they are all the same ones I vent who deny your god that also deny the rights of others and rob us of our dreams .</p>
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		By: RAMONA		</title>
		<link>https://4closurefraud.org/2010/11/17/victory-on-h-r-3808-vote-so-who-is-who-and-what-is-what/#comment-13268</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RAMONA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Nov 2010 04:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://4closurefraud.org/2010/11/17/victory-on-h-r-3808-vote-so-who-is-who-and-what-is-what/#comment-13198&quot;&gt;usjustice4all&lt;/a&gt;.

so respect their rights of religion and  dont read their comments and why are you arguing about it to begin with? do you really fear hell?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://4closurefraud.org/2010/11/17/victory-on-h-r-3808-vote-so-who-is-who-and-what-is-what/#comment-13198">usjustice4all</a>.</p>
<p>so respect their rights of religion and  dont read their comments and why are you arguing about it to begin with? do you really fear hell?</p>
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		By: Nelson J Velardo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Nov 2010 00:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[ELYSE, it&#039;s coming, spread the word!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ELYSE, it&#8217;s coming, spread the word!</p>
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		By: Elyse		</title>
		<link>https://4closurefraud.org/2010/11/17/victory-on-h-r-3808-vote-so-who-is-who-and-what-is-what/#comment-13247</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Elyse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Nov 2010 16:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[HOMEOWNERS NEED TO UNITE IN TOWN HALL MEETINGS!!!  PICKET SIGNS WITH OUR CHILDREN, AND GRANDCHILDREN WALKING THE PICKET LINES....OLD PEOPLE IN WALKERS....YOUNG FAMILIES...ALL WHO ARE UNDER ATTACK TAKE TO THE STREETS!!!

My story is like many others...
*  Attempting to obtain a load modification for many months of back and forth, faxing same papers over &#038; over and after receiving a forbearance agreement for a 3 month trial, my home was foreclosed on without any Notice and while I was paying.  This was August of 2009....
*  I filed Bankruptcy in December of 2009 and was denied a &quot;stay&quot; in BK Court and was advised by that Judge to head to Superior Court with my claims of fraud etc.
*  I did just that, I had my BK Attorney help me with putting my Complaint together all the while, the Banks hired an Attorney to evict me in another Court.  That Unlawful Detainer Judge suggested I consolidate the eviction case and my Complaint in Superior Court and that Judge granted the &quot;consolidation&quot; and gave me a temporary injunction so no eviction can occur until after this case is settled.
*  My case has demanded that I dig for information on who actually owns my loan, which has brought me to the realization of MERS and the fraud the Wall Street Banksters have committed in plain sight of the US Government and our elected officials...it has been an eye opening exercise to say the least.

I am suing Wells Fargo Home Mortgage, US Bank, MERS and their foreclosure mill operation, Cal Western Reconveyance.  4 Defendants and 3 of them are being defended by one law firm...Wells Fargo, MERS and US Bank...all with one lawyer, continuing to prove their connections in transferring and assigning loans back and forth between eachother...I have all the documentation to prove fraud, intentional and deceitful mis representation, breach of contract, violation of civil codes etc...12 causes of actions in all.  I have been ordered by this Judge to pay the amount I was in the rears, $8,500, and continue to pay my mortgage payments to the Unlawful Detainer Attorney, which I have been doing for the past 8 months.  I am now heading back to Court December 6th to ask the Judge to stop my Order to continue to pay on a mortgage that has already been foreclosed and written off by Wells Fargo last year!!  I am also submitting a MOTION TO COMPEL demanding that the Judge order the Defendants to show any documents showing that they had the authority to foreclose and to continue to receive my hard earned money on a loan already foreclosed and written off...should prove who&#039;s who in this zoo!

My story is like many others, however, so many are yelling for a class action lawsuit because so many homeowners can&#039;t imagine suing their lenders...without an Attorney...well, I have talked to many lawyers and most of them really don&#039;t &quot;get it&quot;...they want thousands of dollars from you and in one moment, of any conversation about this or that, will expose that they just don&#039;t understand or believe what the banks are really doing!  So, I muddle through this on my own with much help from the websites we all support...I have submitted motions and pleadings with my allegations and proof in the form of documents found, and not found, in the County Recorders Office here in the desert.
*  It is my understanding that the only class action lawsuits filed against MERS right now are from States Attorney&#039;s General&#039;s on behalf of the Counties in those States and not for the individual homeowners....All the States have been effected because of the failure by MERS to file loan docs and assignments through the Recorders resulting in billions of dollars in lost revenue for those filing fees.  I have been told that all the homeowners stories are different because of one issue or another, however, all the Counties in every State are under the exact same issue of not receiving funds for filing fees.

It is also my understanding that www.4closurefraud.org is discussing joining together, across State lines, in order to have our voices heard because the mainstream media is owned and controlled by the Wall Street Banksters so they will NOT keep the reporting up daily as they did the miners in Chili or currently doing with the Wedding plans of Prince Edward.  I am all about joining forces, however, someone with better knowledge than me, needs to develop a system online for everyone to get on board.  Some system that will coordinate each State to set up a full scale campaign to meet for a town hall gathering, with picket signs and speakers that are involved with this nightmare...If these plans can be made online, with everyone contributing their ideas about who can print picket signs and staple to sticks, print flyers to distribute to media and other homeowners, and to garner a PR person to send out Press Releases in order to get the media there...then we are on the road....
*  A Town Hall meeting should be done somewhere where it is not snowing and freezing...if a Town Hall could be done in the sun, where homeowners in the cold of winter can appreciate the picketing going on in a sunny California environment and the news crews can set up in the warmth of a sunny day, I believe we will get more attention...needless to say, Palm Springs is a perfect setting and I believe there is a grass roots group here from MoveOn.org.

Well, that&#039;s my story and my idea of getting Town Hall meetings together with homeowners under attack.  This must be exposed in a more visual manner...the internet has brought us together, now we need to get into the streets...preferably on a sunny street!  I have pretty good connections with the Mayor Of Palm Springs who just lost to Mary Bono Mack, who may be the perfect person to hit up for this new direction....

Let me know your thoughts and what your strengths are to further this discussion on coordinating Town Hall Meetings to turn this mess around!!

Awaiting your response,
Elyse
Rancho Mirage, Calif.
(760) 770-6611]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HOMEOWNERS NEED TO UNITE IN TOWN HALL MEETINGS!!!  PICKET SIGNS WITH OUR CHILDREN, AND GRANDCHILDREN WALKING THE PICKET LINES&#8230;.OLD PEOPLE IN WALKERS&#8230;.YOUNG FAMILIES&#8230;ALL WHO ARE UNDER ATTACK TAKE TO THE STREETS!!!</p>
<p>My story is like many others&#8230;<br />
*  Attempting to obtain a load modification for many months of back and forth, faxing same papers over &amp; over and after receiving a forbearance agreement for a 3 month trial, my home was foreclosed on without any Notice and while I was paying.  This was August of 2009&#8230;.<br />
*  I filed Bankruptcy in December of 2009 and was denied a &#8220;stay&#8221; in BK Court and was advised by that Judge to head to Superior Court with my claims of fraud etc.<br />
*  I did just that, I had my BK Attorney help me with putting my Complaint together all the while, the Banks hired an Attorney to evict me in another Court.  That Unlawful Detainer Judge suggested I consolidate the eviction case and my Complaint in Superior Court and that Judge granted the &#8220;consolidation&#8221; and gave me a temporary injunction so no eviction can occur until after this case is settled.<br />
*  My case has demanded that I dig for information on who actually owns my loan, which has brought me to the realization of MERS and the fraud the Wall Street Banksters have committed in plain sight of the US Government and our elected officials&#8230;it has been an eye opening exercise to say the least.</p>
<p>I am suing Wells Fargo Home Mortgage, US Bank, MERS and their foreclosure mill operation, Cal Western Reconveyance.  4 Defendants and 3 of them are being defended by one law firm&#8230;Wells Fargo, MERS and US Bank&#8230;all with one lawyer, continuing to prove their connections in transferring and assigning loans back and forth between eachother&#8230;I have all the documentation to prove fraud, intentional and deceitful mis representation, breach of contract, violation of civil codes etc&#8230;12 causes of actions in all.  I have been ordered by this Judge to pay the amount I was in the rears, $8,500, and continue to pay my mortgage payments to the Unlawful Detainer Attorney, which I have been doing for the past 8 months.  I am now heading back to Court December 6th to ask the Judge to stop my Order to continue to pay on a mortgage that has already been foreclosed and written off by Wells Fargo last year!!  I am also submitting a MOTION TO COMPEL demanding that the Judge order the Defendants to show any documents showing that they had the authority to foreclose and to continue to receive my hard earned money on a loan already foreclosed and written off&#8230;should prove who&#8217;s who in this zoo!</p>
<p>My story is like many others, however, so many are yelling for a class action lawsuit because so many homeowners can&#8217;t imagine suing their lenders&#8230;without an Attorney&#8230;well, I have talked to many lawyers and most of them really don&#8217;t &#8220;get it&#8221;&#8230;they want thousands of dollars from you and in one moment, of any conversation about this or that, will expose that they just don&#8217;t understand or believe what the banks are really doing!  So, I muddle through this on my own with much help from the websites we all support&#8230;I have submitted motions and pleadings with my allegations and proof in the form of documents found, and not found, in the County Recorders Office here in the desert.<br />
*  It is my understanding that the only class action lawsuits filed against MERS right now are from States Attorney&#8217;s General&#8217;s on behalf of the Counties in those States and not for the individual homeowners&#8230;.All the States have been effected because of the failure by MERS to file loan docs and assignments through the Recorders resulting in billions of dollars in lost revenue for those filing fees.  I have been told that all the homeowners stories are different because of one issue or another, however, all the Counties in every State are under the exact same issue of not receiving funds for filing fees.</p>
<p>It is also my understanding that <a href="http://www.4closurefraud.org" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.4closurefraud.org</a> is discussing joining together, across State lines, in order to have our voices heard because the mainstream media is owned and controlled by the Wall Street Banksters so they will NOT keep the reporting up daily as they did the miners in Chili or currently doing with the Wedding plans of Prince Edward.  I am all about joining forces, however, someone with better knowledge than me, needs to develop a system online for everyone to get on board.  Some system that will coordinate each State to set up a full scale campaign to meet for a town hall gathering, with picket signs and speakers that are involved with this nightmare&#8230;If these plans can be made online, with everyone contributing their ideas about who can print picket signs and staple to sticks, print flyers to distribute to media and other homeowners, and to garner a PR person to send out Press Releases in order to get the media there&#8230;then we are on the road&#8230;.<br />
*  A Town Hall meeting should be done somewhere where it is not snowing and freezing&#8230;if a Town Hall could be done in the sun, where homeowners in the cold of winter can appreciate the picketing going on in a sunny California environment and the news crews can set up in the warmth of a sunny day, I believe we will get more attention&#8230;needless to say, Palm Springs is a perfect setting and I believe there is a grass roots group here from MoveOn.org.</p>
<p>Well, that&#8217;s my story and my idea of getting Town Hall meetings together with homeowners under attack.  This must be exposed in a more visual manner&#8230;the internet has brought us together, now we need to get into the streets&#8230;preferably on a sunny street!  I have pretty good connections with the Mayor Of Palm Springs who just lost to Mary Bono Mack, who may be the perfect person to hit up for this new direction&#8230;.</p>
<p>Let me know your thoughts and what your strengths are to further this discussion on coordinating Town Hall Meetings to turn this mess around!!</p>
<p>Awaiting your response,<br />
Elyse<br />
Rancho Mirage, Calif.<br />
(760) 770-6611</p>
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		By: Nelson J Velardo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nelson J Velardo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Nov 2010 14:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Getting back on subject; we need to create an organization, maybe fueled by sites such as this one, my own www.americansunitedforjustice.org and many others out there, where we can function beyond and across state lines as the voice of the people. Much in the way groups like Move on dot org function, (I am not referring to their political agenda just their organizational structure and functions) where we can integrate with labor unions, activist groups, social networks and serve as a centralized strategy planning and mass mobilzation organization for a concerted effort against the crooked judges (for judicial accountability) and against those politicians who would sell out America for their own material gain in this battle for the constitutional right to due process.. 

We already know that we would have a very powerful following, as more than 50 million Americans are directly involved as victims of this massive foreclosure Ponzi Scheme.  We can do this and the time to do it is now! I will be posting more about this here soon also at www.americansunitedforjustice.org 

I have no doubt that this site, also Foreclosure Hamlet, stopforclosurefraud.com, livinglies, msfraud etc.. all have the necessary experinece, leadership and tools we need to create a national organization. LETS GET TO WORK and lets hold these judges and politicians accountable! 

If you read the headlines today: &quot;Wall St. faces massive insider trading probe&quot;, you can clearly see that Walls Street no longer creates wealth, it consumes it! Therefore, it is upon our shoulder, it  is our responsability to ensure that our experiment in democracy survives this onslaught by those who would sell the American Dream to the higest bidder; for if we do nothing, we may not have a country in the future to call home!

SPREAD THE WORD!

Nelson J. Velardo

www.americansunitedforjustice.org]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Getting back on subject; we need to create an organization, maybe fueled by sites such as this one, my own <a href="http://www.americansunitedforjustice.org" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.americansunitedforjustice.org</a> and many others out there, where we can function beyond and across state lines as the voice of the people. Much in the way groups like Move on dot org function, (I am not referring to their political agenda just their organizational structure and functions) where we can integrate with labor unions, activist groups, social networks and serve as a centralized strategy planning and mass mobilzation organization for a concerted effort against the crooked judges (for judicial accountability) and against those politicians who would sell out America for their own material gain in this battle for the constitutional right to due process.. </p>
<p>We already know that we would have a very powerful following, as more than 50 million Americans are directly involved as victims of this massive foreclosure Ponzi Scheme.  We can do this and the time to do it is now! I will be posting more about this here soon also at <a href="http://www.americansunitedforjustice.org" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.americansunitedforjustice.org</a> </p>
<p>I have no doubt that this site, also Foreclosure Hamlet, stopforclosurefraud.com, livinglies, msfraud etc.. all have the necessary experinece, leadership and tools we need to create a national organization. LETS GET TO WORK and lets hold these judges and politicians accountable! </p>
<p>If you read the headlines today: &#8220;Wall St. faces massive insider trading probe&#8221;, you can clearly see that Walls Street no longer creates wealth, it consumes it! Therefore, it is upon our shoulder, it  is our responsability to ensure that our experiment in democracy survives this onslaught by those who would sell the American Dream to the higest bidder; for if we do nothing, we may not have a country in the future to call home!</p>
<p>SPREAD THE WORD!</p>
<p>Nelson J. Velardo</p>
<p><a href="http://www.americansunitedforjustice.org" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.americansunitedforjustice.org</a></p>
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		By: usjustice4all		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[usjustice4all]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Nov 2010 02:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://4closurefraud.org/2010/11/17/victory-on-h-r-3808-vote-so-who-is-who-and-what-is-what/#comment-13198&quot;&gt;usjustice4all&lt;/a&gt;.

Religion and Politics are supposed to be off limits.  Isn&#039;t that really the code? Maybe it BOTH FOR SOME PEOPLE. NOT SEPARATE.]]></description>
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<p>Religion and Politics are supposed to be off limits.  Isn&#8217;t that really the code? Maybe it BOTH FOR SOME PEOPLE. NOT SEPARATE.</p>
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		By: Elyse		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Elyse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Nov 2010 02:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://4closurefraud.org/2010/11/17/victory-on-h-r-3808-vote-so-who-is-who-and-what-is-what/#comment-13145&quot;&gt;l vent&lt;/a&gt;.

I would like to ask just how many people are on this site?  Forming an event would be difficult as everyone is scattered throughout the US...I&#039;&#039;m in Rancho Mirage, Calif. 
elyse@gte.net]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://4closurefraud.org/2010/11/17/victory-on-h-r-3808-vote-so-who-is-who-and-what-is-what/#comment-13145">l vent</a>.</p>
<p>I would like to ask just how many people are on this site?  Forming an event would be difficult as everyone is scattered throughout the US&#8230;I&#8221;m in Rancho Mirage, Calif.<br />
<a href="mailto:elyse@gte.net">elyse@gte.net</a></p>
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