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		By: pparke500		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pparke500]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Feb 2011 01:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s another defense:  &quot;I was just following orders.&quot;  We know how well that worked at the Nuremberg trials.  It should not work defending an ethics complaint in front of the Florida bar but everything I&#039;ve seen and read about the bar and the practitioners here, including the judges, tell me that it will work. I am so not impressed with the level of legal work in this state.  Looking forward to leaving here soon.  Just as soon as the foreclosure mill that took over Stern&#039;s cases is finished creating fraudulent documents in my case that the judge won&#039;t care about.  Rocket docket still alive and well.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s another defense:  &#8220;I was just following orders.&#8221;  We know how well that worked at the Nuremberg trials.  It should not work defending an ethics complaint in front of the Florida bar but everything I&#8217;ve seen and read about the bar and the practitioners here, including the judges, tell me that it will work. I am so not impressed with the level of legal work in this state.  Looking forward to leaving here soon.  Just as soon as the foreclosure mill that took over Stern&#8217;s cases is finished creating fraudulent documents in my case that the judge won&#8217;t care about.  Rocket docket still alive and well.</p>
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		By: Stupendous Man - Defender of Liberty - Foe of Tyranny		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stupendous Man - Defender of Liberty - Foe of Tyranny]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Dec 2010 15:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m expecting to see some &quot;I didn&#039;t do it on purpose,&quot; and also some &quot;I didn&#039;t know what I was doing&quot; kind of defenses to any BAR disciplinary complaints/actions. While those things may be true I&#039;m disinclined to believe they matter. 

I&#039;m reminded of an old Greek aphorism: &quot;Though the boys throw rocks in jest the frogs still die in earnest.&quot; 

Tragic for these young, ignorant low level players in these frauds. Tragic. But their actions should be weighed not on their ignorance but on the impact their actions had on others. Fraudulently dispossessing someone of their home, and ALL the stability that represents, has a negative impact that can hardly be over stated.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m expecting to see some &#8220;I didn&#8217;t do it on purpose,&#8221; and also some &#8220;I didn&#8217;t know what I was doing&#8221; kind of defenses to any BAR disciplinary complaints/actions. While those things may be true I&#8217;m disinclined to believe they matter. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m reminded of an old Greek aphorism: &#8220;Though the boys throw rocks in jest the frogs still die in earnest.&#8221; </p>
<p>Tragic for these young, ignorant low level players in these frauds. Tragic. But their actions should be weighed not on their ignorance but on the impact their actions had on others. Fraudulently dispossessing someone of their home, and ALL the stability that represents, has a negative impact that can hardly be over stated.</p>
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		By: Mike		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Dec 2010 14:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The following is a link to an article in a law magazine-it is written from a very matter-of-fact viewpoint regarding the foreclosure crisis. Because it is so “subjective” and “matter-of-fact,” some of the statements were roll-on-the-floor funny. (To me!)

http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1202476326359&#038;Lenders_Servicers_Scramble_to_Shift_Foreclosure_Cases_to_New_Firms 

Quoting from article,

&quot;An attorney for another prominent South Florida law firm who did not want to be identified also expressed an unwillingness to participate. &quot;One, it&#039;s always a mess taking over someone else&#039;s case,&quot; he said. &quot;Two, you have the big issue of who owns the mortgages. It&#039;s a big mess. &quot;&#039;

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And I can’t wait to hear how this Fannie and Freddie deal  works out for Ed Pozzuoli. Per article:

&quot;But one well-respected law firm, Fort-Lauderdale-based Tripp Scott, was one of the nine that signed up with Fannie and Freddie. The firm, which already had been doing &quot;high-end&quot; banking work, was approached by the mortgage companies. Firm managing partner Ed Pozzuoli said he wasn&#039;t told how many cases he is getting, but his firm has been promised it will get primarily the complex, contested cases that pay higher fees. He said he&#039;s confident he can make the economics work without hiring low-paid associates.&quot;We don&#039;t pay our associates $60,000,&quot; he said. &quot;Any case has its risks. But we think it&#039;s a good opportunity, and we will not diminish the quality of our work at all.&quot;
 
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(Ummm....note to Mr. Pozzuoli:  By “complex case,” Fannie and Freddie mean, “we don’t know who the hell owns this sucker“ and by “contested case, “ Fannie and Freddie mean, “the homeowner knows we don‘t know who the hell owns this sucker.“) So good luck with your firm’s new caseload, Ed!

******

The article goes on to say that,

 &quot;He {Mr. Pozzuoli} said he&#039;s confident he can make the economics work without hiring low-paid associates.&quot; 

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I don’t know, Ed. A lot of your more highly-paid associates might have a problem with that whole “committing perjury/fraud before the court” thing. You might want to go scoop up some of those wet-behind-the-ear $60,000 a year associates who aren’t smart enough to figure out that you’re asking themselves to perjure themselves. 

(Note to all of you recently-unemployed David J. Stern associate attorneys and all of you over-worked and low-paid McCalla Raymer associate attorneys--Ed Pozzuoli is paying more for the same work!) Let the hiring frenzy begin!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The following is a link to an article in a law magazine-it is written from a very matter-of-fact viewpoint regarding the foreclosure crisis. Because it is so “subjective” and “matter-of-fact,” some of the statements were roll-on-the-floor funny. (To me!)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1202476326359&#038;Lenders_Servicers_Scramble_to_Shift_Foreclosure_Cases_to_New_Firms" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1202476326359&#038;Lenders_Servicers_Scramble_to_Shift_Foreclosure_Cases_to_New_Firms</a> </p>
<p>Quoting from article,</p>
<p>&#8220;An attorney for another prominent South Florida law firm who did not want to be identified also expressed an unwillingness to participate. &#8220;One, it&#8217;s always a mess taking over someone else&#8217;s case,&#8221; he said. &#8220;Two, you have the big issue of who owns the mortgages. It&#8217;s a big mess. &#8220;&#8216;</p>
<p>*****</p>
<p>And I can’t wait to hear how this Fannie and Freddie deal  works out for Ed Pozzuoli. Per article:</p>
<p>&#8220;But one well-respected law firm, Fort-Lauderdale-based Tripp Scott, was one of the nine that signed up with Fannie and Freddie. The firm, which already had been doing &#8220;high-end&#8221; banking work, was approached by the mortgage companies. Firm managing partner Ed Pozzuoli said he wasn&#8217;t told how many cases he is getting, but his firm has been promised it will get primarily the complex, contested cases that pay higher fees. He said he&#8217;s confident he can make the economics work without hiring low-paid associates.&#8221;We don&#8217;t pay our associates $60,000,&#8221; he said. &#8220;Any case has its risks. But we think it&#8217;s a good opportunity, and we will not diminish the quality of our work at all.&#8221;</p>
<p>******</p>
<p>(Ummm&#8230;.note to Mr. Pozzuoli:  By “complex case,” Fannie and Freddie mean, “we don’t know who the hell owns this sucker“ and by “contested case, “ Fannie and Freddie mean, “the homeowner knows we don‘t know who the hell owns this sucker.“) So good luck with your firm’s new caseload, Ed!</p>
<p>******</p>
<p>The article goes on to say that,</p>
<p> &#8220;He {Mr. Pozzuoli} said he&#8217;s confident he can make the economics work without hiring low-paid associates.&#8221; </p>
<p>********</p>
<p>I don’t know, Ed. A lot of your more highly-paid associates might have a problem with that whole “committing perjury/fraud before the court” thing. You might want to go scoop up some of those wet-behind-the-ear $60,000 a year associates who aren’t smart enough to figure out that you’re asking themselves to perjure themselves. </p>
<p>(Note to all of you recently-unemployed David J. Stern associate attorneys and all of you over-worked and low-paid McCalla Raymer associate attorneys&#8211;Ed Pozzuoli is paying more for the same work!) Let the hiring frenzy begin!</p>
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		By: MEG		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MEG]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Dec 2010 20:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Reminds me of the saying by Mark Twain:

 &quot;If you pick up a starving dog and make him properous, he will not bite you.&quot;

From what I read about &quot;The Law Offices of David Stern&quot; and &quot;Shapiro &#038; Fishman&quot; etc.... it would be a safe assumption to say many of these &quot;Novice Attorneys, Paralegal&#039;s, Legal Assistant&#039;s, Chamber Maids, Sandwhich Makers etc...  were the starving dogs.

Now that they have stopped feeding them, it should be interesting to see how this all unfolds.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reminds me of the saying by Mark Twain:</p>
<p> &#8220;If you pick up a starving dog and make him properous, he will not bite you.&#8221;</p>
<p>From what I read about &#8220;The Law Offices of David Stern&#8221; and &#8220;Shapiro &amp; Fishman&#8221; etc&#8230;. it would be a safe assumption to say many of these &#8220;Novice Attorneys, Paralegal&#8217;s, Legal Assistant&#8217;s, Chamber Maids, Sandwhich Makers etc&#8230;  were the starving dogs.</p>
<p>Now that they have stopped feeding them, it should be interesting to see how this all unfolds.</p>
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		By: Bill P.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill P.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Dec 2010 14:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[They didn&#039;t know what they were doing? Gimme a break! When I became a police officer, it was &quot;game on&quot; from the very first day. If I went out on the street and shot several people using bad judgment, do you think the response would be - &quot;well....... he&#039;s new. He just didn&#039;t know what he was doing. Let him transfer to another department to get more experience.&quot; Bullshit!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They didn&#8217;t know what they were doing? Gimme a break! When I became a police officer, it was &#8220;game on&#8221; from the very first day. If I went out on the street and shot several people using bad judgment, do you think the response would be &#8211; &#8220;well&#8230;&#8230;. he&#8217;s new. He just didn&#8217;t know what he was doing. Let him transfer to another department to get more experience.&#8221; Bullshit!</p>
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		By: Diana Cessna		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Diana Cessna]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Dec 2010 14:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What is even more dangerous is that these inexperienced foreclosure mill attorneys are setting up shop as consumer attorneys.  With the heat on the mills, some have seen easier money lining homeowners up for BK filings and modification counseling when, of course, they have no skill or experience to determine whether these options are good for the individuals.  They flock to where they can charge the most fees and attract the most desperate homeowners.  People are eager to open their checkbooks and pay an Attorney that tells them what they want to here.  Unfortunately, the results oftentimes put them in a worse position when they started.  Then, they can send them back to their buddies still at the FC Mills.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is even more dangerous is that these inexperienced foreclosure mill attorneys are setting up shop as consumer attorneys.  With the heat on the mills, some have seen easier money lining homeowners up for BK filings and modification counseling when, of course, they have no skill or experience to determine whether these options are good for the individuals.  They flock to where they can charge the most fees and attract the most desperate homeowners.  People are eager to open their checkbooks and pay an Attorney that tells them what they want to here.  Unfortunately, the results oftentimes put them in a worse position when they started.  Then, they can send them back to their buddies still at the FC Mills.</p>
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		By: Jeff Jackson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Jackson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Dec 2010 14:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Samuel I White in Maryland.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Samuel I White in Maryland.</p>
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		By: Michael		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Dec 2010 13:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Susan was working for Fannie Mae, overseeing Florida law firms (including Stern), then left and was immediately able to come here and join a mill with expansion plans into Florida?  The revolving door at its worst.  

Sounds like Susan wants a big house, like the mill lawyers she was overseeing.  Hopefully, as we learn more about her and her work at Fannie, we&#039;ll find info to land her in an even bigger house than she&#039;s ever dreamed of.  It&#039;d be the lap of luxury; all meals are provided (though apparently the food isn&#039;t very good), they even give you clothes (limited selection; same style and color), and her new house-mates can teach her a more honest occupation when she gets to leave (or maybe the FL Bar will readmit her after a multi-year stint, like it did another high-volume FL HOA lawyer).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susan was working for Fannie Mae, overseeing Florida law firms (including Stern), then left and was immediately able to come here and join a mill with expansion plans into Florida?  The revolving door at its worst.  </p>
<p>Sounds like Susan wants a big house, like the mill lawyers she was overseeing.  Hopefully, as we learn more about her and her work at Fannie, we&#8217;ll find info to land her in an even bigger house than she&#8217;s ever dreamed of.  It&#8217;d be the lap of luxury; all meals are provided (though apparently the food isn&#8217;t very good), they even give you clothes (limited selection; same style and color), and her new house-mates can teach her a more honest occupation when she gets to leave (or maybe the FL Bar will readmit her after a multi-year stint, like it did another high-volume FL HOA lawyer).</p>
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