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		By: housemanrob		</title>
		<link>https://4closurefraud.org/2011/01/20/daily-finance-why-paperwork-matters-consider-this-mortgage-mess/#comment-18318</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[housemanrob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jan 2011 07:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s just smoke and mirrors.....don&#039;t let them sucker anybody. They are done. Period! The AVALANCHE is coming!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s just smoke and mirrors&#8230;..don&#8217;t let them sucker anybody. They are done. Period! The AVALANCHE is coming!</p>
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		By: lisamarie		</title>
		<link>https://4closurefraud.org/2011/01/20/daily-finance-why-paperwork-matters-consider-this-mortgage-mess/#comment-18293</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jan 2011 23:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am fighting them also, have been since 2007. My lawyer from legal services is working on a modification with these crooks because of course they would rather work out something than go to trial with me being as they have no note or anything to tie them to my mortgage at all. My lawyer tells me I better work with them because if I don&#039;t they will go back and retrace from origination and &#039;restructure&#039; the loan and take my house  from me anyway, &quot;because when push comes to shove they don&#039;t have to have the note.&quot; This was told to me today. I am floored.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am fighting them also, have been since 2007. My lawyer from legal services is working on a modification with these crooks because of course they would rather work out something than go to trial with me being as they have no note or anything to tie them to my mortgage at all. My lawyer tells me I better work with them because if I don&#8217;t they will go back and retrace from origination and &#8216;restructure&#8217; the loan and take my house  from me anyway, &#8220;because when push comes to shove they don&#8217;t have to have the note.&#8221; This was told to me today. I am floored.</p>
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		By: angry &#38; NOT TAKING IT		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jan 2011 21:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[oh yea... I&#039;m fighting these very same criminals myself! hsbc,litton,fremont,quality loan. 
please send carpenters to build the gallows, hanging is a GREEN approved method!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh yea&#8230; I&#8217;m fighting these very same criminals myself! hsbc,litton,fremont,quality loan.<br />
please send carpenters to build the gallows, hanging is a GREEN approved method!</p>
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		By: angry &#38; NOT TAKING IT		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jan 2011 21:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[there are no notes!!!!!!!
the creditor no longer exists when a note becomes securitized. Why? Because the debt has been charged off the creditor&#039;s balance sheet in order to capitalize the certificates of the investment trust. In other words, the note was tendered for other consideration (certificates). When a debt instruments inherent value is divested and transferred into another form of marketable security (stocks certificates, bond certificates)the note is destroyed. Both instruments can&#039;t exist at the same time for the same debt. The charge off the creditor&#039;s balance sheet has exinguished the debt.

Its called derecognition according to GAAP. Tender of the note for other condideration alleges the note is REGISTERED into another recognized marketable shape or form. Generally, when a security instrument is transferred,the transferee will deliver the endorsed instrument to the issuer or its transfer agent, who in turn will issue a new certificate in the transferee&#039;s name. UCC article 8 mandates that the issuer REGISTER the transfer. So an issuer of a promissory note that is found to be a security instrument will be obliged to REGISTER the transfer and issue new notes/securities upon a transferee&#039;s request. Guess what entity serves this purpose? If your loan has a MIN#, your note has been divested.

So as you can see, there is no note anymore by operation of law. Moreover, there cannot be an agent of nominee granted a capacity to enforce the note. Because the note has been divested and is essentially worthless, the banking interests had no incentive to meticulously archive them. This is why so many lost note affidavits have been used in the foreclosure process. Would-be-creditors have furiously attempted to reverse engineer the securitization process using robosigners and fake documents. All of that is futile because an accounting audit would reveal the destruction of the note and the charge off the creditors balance sheet. The only way a would-be-creditor recaptures the liability is to fraudulently credit bid at foreclosure auction but actually fund the bid with a loan. That would re-establish a basis in the asset and put it back on the balance sheet.

Without knowledge of the creditors identity,the debtor has no way to investigate this. The servicing rights are sold seperately to a debt collector as if the debt still exists, the debtor non the wiser.

creditor = the entity that accounts for the debt on its balance sheet.

Mers = securitization]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there are no notes!!!!!!!<br />
the creditor no longer exists when a note becomes securitized. Why? Because the debt has been charged off the creditor&#8217;s balance sheet in order to capitalize the certificates of the investment trust. In other words, the note was tendered for other consideration (certificates). When a debt instruments inherent value is divested and transferred into another form of marketable security (stocks certificates, bond certificates)the note is destroyed. Both instruments can&#8217;t exist at the same time for the same debt. The charge off the creditor&#8217;s balance sheet has exinguished the debt.</p>
<p>Its called derecognition according to GAAP. Tender of the note for other condideration alleges the note is REGISTERED into another recognized marketable shape or form. Generally, when a security instrument is transferred,the transferee will deliver the endorsed instrument to the issuer or its transfer agent, who in turn will issue a new certificate in the transferee&#8217;s name. UCC article 8 mandates that the issuer REGISTER the transfer. So an issuer of a promissory note that is found to be a security instrument will be obliged to REGISTER the transfer and issue new notes/securities upon a transferee&#8217;s request. Guess what entity serves this purpose? If your loan has a MIN#, your note has been divested.</p>
<p>So as you can see, there is no note anymore by operation of law. Moreover, there cannot be an agent of nominee granted a capacity to enforce the note. Because the note has been divested and is essentially worthless, the banking interests had no incentive to meticulously archive them. This is why so many lost note affidavits have been used in the foreclosure process. Would-be-creditors have furiously attempted to reverse engineer the securitization process using robosigners and fake documents. All of that is futile because an accounting audit would reveal the destruction of the note and the charge off the creditors balance sheet. The only way a would-be-creditor recaptures the liability is to fraudulently credit bid at foreclosure auction but actually fund the bid with a loan. That would re-establish a basis in the asset and put it back on the balance sheet.</p>
<p>Without knowledge of the creditors identity,the debtor has no way to investigate this. The servicing rights are sold seperately to a debt collector as if the debt still exists, the debtor non the wiser.</p>
<p>creditor = the entity that accounts for the debt on its balance sheet.</p>
<p>Mers = securitization</p>
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		By: lisamarie		</title>
		<link>https://4closurefraud.org/2011/01/20/daily-finance-why-paperwork-matters-consider-this-mortgage-mess/#comment-18284</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jan 2011 21:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m beginning to believe HSBC doesn&#039;t have anybodys actual note. I mean can they show proof of anybodys original mortgage note? Perhaps they destroy notes on sight. It doesn&#039;t make sense.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m beginning to believe HSBC doesn&#8217;t have anybodys actual note. I mean can they show proof of anybodys original mortgage note? Perhaps they destroy notes on sight. It doesn&#8217;t make sense.</p>
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