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	Comments on: Florida House Representative George R. Moraitis, Jr. Values Your Input on Expedited Foreclosures and Goals for the Judicial System	</title>
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		By: Marilyn Abdilla		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2011 09:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I picked up a tad of arrogance in the reply of Mr. Eisler to (PPARKR500).  In his comment of...&quot; Who can blame a bank for not taking a short sale even if the value is right after they have eaten up more money in delays and attorney fees?&quot;  
 What he fails to explain is...the bank may not have the right to approve a short sale..without the real owners approval..but the bank does not want the borrower to know they are not the owner of the note/mortgage.  Also..the delays were the banks delays..not the seller&#039;s or buyer&#039;s....the banks delayed on approving the short sale until the buyer gave up...the bank can make more money in a foreclosure..their losses are backed up by bed partners and  (most) courts failed to see two sides of the foreclosure..so it was win win for the banks...$$$ from the sale of the property. That is why the banks did not go for the short sales. 
The same goes for modification..same scenario....let you hang for months..drain your bank account..than tell you ..you are denied...and foreclosure is about to be filed in court.  Foreclosures were their goal from the start.  The plan was in the works about 2000...Inflat and deflat...ARM&#039;S Optional and Sub-prime..securitizing...selling over and over  gaining profits till the greed popped out of everywhere. Who owned what...who sold what..what&#039;s this..is that fraud?  Look further  and pieces of the puzzle start coming together. Just as lawsuites are still asking for answers and demanding their money back.  We want answers. and action...the fraud will not go down the drain into the sewer. They know where it started and who was involved and they know all heads ignored the fraud...it was known in 2004 and the Justice Dept. did nothing. 
 So I must say Mr. Eisler&#039;s comment sounds a bit on the bankers side of the fence...he did not blame the banks for not approving short sales. Why would he give his opinion or comment such as that ...when Mr. Moraitis asked for comments from the people concerning foreclosures and the courts?  It is understood Mr. Eisler is a friend and colleague of  Mr. moraitis so it makes one wonder what this request from Mr. Moraitis is all about..is it to help the banks or help the citizens of the State of Florida?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I picked up a tad of arrogance in the reply of Mr. Eisler to (PPARKR500).  In his comment of&#8230;&#8221; Who can blame a bank for not taking a short sale even if the value is right after they have eaten up more money in delays and attorney fees?&#8221;<br />
 What he fails to explain is&#8230;the bank may not have the right to approve a short sale..without the real owners approval..but the bank does not want the borrower to know they are not the owner of the note/mortgage.  Also..the delays were the banks delays..not the seller&#8217;s or buyer&#8217;s&#8230;.the banks delayed on approving the short sale until the buyer gave up&#8230;the bank can make more money in a foreclosure..their losses are backed up by bed partners and  (most) courts failed to see two sides of the foreclosure..so it was win win for the banks&#8230;$$$ from the sale of the property. That is why the banks did not go for the short sales.<br />
The same goes for modification..same scenario&#8230;.let you hang for months..drain your bank account..than tell you ..you are denied&#8230;and foreclosure is about to be filed in court.  Foreclosures were their goal from the start.  The plan was in the works about 2000&#8230;Inflat and deflat&#8230;ARM&#8217;S Optional and Sub-prime..securitizing&#8230;selling over and over  gaining profits till the greed popped out of everywhere. Who owned what&#8230;who sold what..what&#8217;s this..is that fraud?  Look further  and pieces of the puzzle start coming together. Just as lawsuites are still asking for answers and demanding their money back.  We want answers. and action&#8230;the fraud will not go down the drain into the sewer. They know where it started and who was involved and they know all heads ignored the fraud&#8230;it was known in 2004 and the Justice Dept. did nothing.<br />
 So I must say Mr. Eisler&#8217;s comment sounds a bit on the bankers side of the fence&#8230;he did not blame the banks for not approving short sales. Why would he give his opinion or comment such as that &#8230;when Mr. Moraitis asked for comments from the people concerning foreclosures and the courts?  It is understood Mr. Eisler is a friend and colleague of  Mr. moraitis so it makes one wonder what this request from Mr. Moraitis is all about..is it to help the banks or help the citizens of the State of Florida?</p>
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		By: pparke500		</title>
		<link>https://4closurefraud.org/2011/01/27/florida-house-representative-george-r-moraitis-jr-values-your-input-on-expedited-foreclosures-and-goals-for-the-judicial-system/#comment-19048</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pparke500]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2011 01:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://4closurefraud.org/2011/01/27/florida-house-representative-george-r-moraitis-jr-values-your-input-on-expedited-foreclosures-and-goals-for-the-judicial-system/#comment-18985&quot;&gt;ForensicMortgageExaminers&lt;/a&gt;.

Besides, what grown man calls himself Skippy and how arrogant do you have to be to use the word &quot;vexatious&quot;?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://4closurefraud.org/2011/01/27/florida-house-representative-george-r-moraitis-jr-values-your-input-on-expedited-foreclosures-and-goals-for-the-judicial-system/#comment-18985">ForensicMortgageExaminers</a>.</p>
<p>Besides, what grown man calls himself Skippy and how arrogant do you have to be to use the word &#8220;vexatious&#8221;?</p>
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		By: pparke500		</title>
		<link>https://4closurefraud.org/2011/01/27/florida-house-representative-george-r-moraitis-jr-values-your-input-on-expedited-foreclosures-and-goals-for-the-judicial-system/#comment-19047</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2011 01:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://4closurefraud.org/2011/01/27/florida-house-representative-george-r-moraitis-jr-values-your-input-on-expedited-foreclosures-and-goals-for-the-judicial-system/#comment-18985&quot;&gt;ForensicMortgageExaminers&lt;/a&gt;.

Well that explains a lot. Not surprised.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://4closurefraud.org/2011/01/27/florida-house-representative-george-r-moraitis-jr-values-your-input-on-expedited-foreclosures-and-goals-for-the-judicial-system/#comment-18985">ForensicMortgageExaminers</a>.</p>
<p>Well that explains a lot. Not surprised.</p>
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		By: pparke500		</title>
		<link>https://4closurefraud.org/2011/01/27/florida-house-representative-george-r-moraitis-jr-values-your-input-on-expedited-foreclosures-and-goals-for-the-judicial-system/#comment-19046</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2011 01:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://4closurefraud.org/2011/01/27/florida-house-representative-george-r-moraitis-jr-values-your-input-on-expedited-foreclosures-and-goals-for-the-judicial-system/#comment-18992&quot;&gt;MMirro&lt;/a&gt;.

Mr. Moraitis is a lawyer in his daddy&#039;s law firm and their law firm does short sales for the banks. So good luck waiting for him to propose legislation to send bankers to jail.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://4closurefraud.org/2011/01/27/florida-house-representative-george-r-moraitis-jr-values-your-input-on-expedited-foreclosures-and-goals-for-the-judicial-system/#comment-18992">MMirro</a>.</p>
<p>Mr. Moraitis is a lawyer in his daddy&#8217;s law firm and their law firm does short sales for the banks. So good luck waiting for him to propose legislation to send bankers to jail.</p>
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		By: pparke500		</title>
		<link>https://4closurefraud.org/2011/01/27/florida-house-representative-george-r-moraitis-jr-values-your-input-on-expedited-foreclosures-and-goals-for-the-judicial-system/#comment-19045</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pparke500]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2011 01:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://4closurefraud.org/2011/01/27/florida-house-representative-george-r-moraitis-jr-values-your-input-on-expedited-foreclosures-and-goals-for-the-judicial-system/#comment-19026&quot;&gt;acmodspecialists&lt;/a&gt;.

I was quoting the responses I received from two lawyers who apparently represent banks.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://4closurefraud.org/2011/01/27/florida-house-representative-george-r-moraitis-jr-values-your-input-on-expedited-foreclosures-and-goals-for-the-judicial-system/#comment-19026">acmodspecialists</a>.</p>
<p>I was quoting the responses I received from two lawyers who apparently represent banks.</p>
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		By: acmodspecialists		</title>
		<link>https://4closurefraud.org/2011/01/27/florida-house-representative-george-r-moraitis-jr-values-your-input-on-expedited-foreclosures-and-goals-for-the-judicial-system/#comment-19027</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[acmodspecialists]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jan 2011 20:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://4closurefraud.org/2011/01/27/florida-house-representative-george-r-moraitis-jr-values-your-input-on-expedited-foreclosures-and-goals-for-the-judicial-system/#comment-19003&quot;&gt;Liz in Sarasota&lt;/a&gt;.

Not one? I&#039;m not surprise at all!  knowing how Chase has no consideration at all for homeowners even that they are their customers, hope that any customer of Chase that has a Mortgage with Chase and also has checking accounts moves their money out of it and cancels their accounts. that will be some way of small retribution]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://4closurefraud.org/2011/01/27/florida-house-representative-george-r-moraitis-jr-values-your-input-on-expedited-foreclosures-and-goals-for-the-judicial-system/#comment-19003">Liz in Sarasota</a>.</p>
<p>Not one? I&#8217;m not surprise at all!  knowing how Chase has no consideration at all for homeowners even that they are their customers, hope that any customer of Chase that has a Mortgage with Chase and also has checking accounts moves their money out of it and cancels their accounts. that will be some way of small retribution</p>
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		By: acmodspecialists		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jan 2011 20:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://4closurefraud.org/2011/01/27/florida-house-representative-george-r-moraitis-jr-values-your-input-on-expedited-foreclosures-and-goals-for-the-judicial-system/#comment-18992&quot;&gt;MMirro&lt;/a&gt;.

Mr.MMirro, I congratulate you on your comment yo seem to have a lot more conscience about what justice should be and about the rule of law than Mr. pparke500. Great comment]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://4closurefraud.org/2011/01/27/florida-house-representative-george-r-moraitis-jr-values-your-input-on-expedited-foreclosures-and-goals-for-the-judicial-system/#comment-18992">MMirro</a>.</p>
<p>Mr.MMirro, I congratulate you on your comment yo seem to have a lot more conscience about what justice should be and about the rule of law than Mr. pparke500. Great comment</p>
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		By: Liz in Sarasota		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jan 2011 13:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Did you know that J P Morgan Chase has not modified one - NOT ONE - mortgage in the 12th Judicial Circuit here in Sarasota?  Not one.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you know that J P Morgan Chase has not modified one &#8211; NOT ONE &#8211; mortgage in the 12th Judicial Circuit here in Sarasota?  Not one.</p>
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		By: WHIP//		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jan 2011 09:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This guy is a FOOL.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This guy is a FOOL.</p>
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		By: MMirro		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jan 2011 07:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[1)&quot;Legitimate property interest&quot; and &quot;equity&quot; are not the same thing. 
2) to pparke500:  ...&quot;Look to Treaury for recoupment&quot; says it all .. which is the end game for the king banks and Wall Street to save their balance sheets, and for Treasury and our elected officials to cover their grave, arrogant and inexcusable performance. Also means the general taxpayer will pay the tab for the poor business decisions of businesses that should otherwise fail ... again.  
3) Finance now claims they need the rules bent to accomodate loan securitization to &quot;keep costs down for the borrowers&quot;.  Hogwash.  Watch for the law changes they&#039;ll be wanting to usher in.  It&#039;s already begun.
4) For all the cryin going on about foreclosures, let&#039;s consider a few things:

 - A borrowers &#039;promise&#039; to pay is but one side of a two-sided contract.  There is no &quot;moral&quot; imperative for only one side to honor.
- There is a moral imperative to guard against thievery, because undefended the hoodlums will take over.
 - Contracts generally have provisions for what either side can do if the other party defaults. This works both ways. 
-  At the essence of a mortgage contract, a lender/note holder should have no obligation to modify or otherwise capitulate to a change in contract terms just because the borrower can&#039;t continue to pay.  On the other hand, a lender/note holder should also be able to show they are the proper party to receive payments and show proper accounting.  The current dilema is partly due to federal involvement and the huge scope of the problem at hand.
- If a lender/note holder wishes to foreclose, there are rules that they must abide by.  The basic rules are not new but centuries old, tried and true.  Same applies to those wishing to defend.
- If one side or the other does not follow the rules, or can&#039;t make their case even if they do, they should lose.  On the grand scale of this particular social dilema (2nd depression/mass economic evaporation, etc), anything less risks bastardizing our judicial system to the point of anarchy. 
- If you do the math on most loans in default vs. current market value of the note or the asset (property secured), then consider that most delinquent borrowers would be willing to honor their original obligation or a reduced amount still over current market value, it makes little sense that one holding a $100 note would foreclose, costing them an additional $10, so they could then sell the $100 note for say $40, netting them $30, for a 70% loss, when they could likely work a deal with the original borrower reducing their loss significantly.  Lender losses are inevitable here.  It&#039;s only a matter of how much.  So why would they do that? Because it pays more than the alternative.   Math and money.  Think credit default swaps (insurance policies), FDIC loss-share agreements and $140 Billion taxpayer bailout of AIG.  Then think tax dollars swirling down a hole.

At the end of the day the legal rules were all in place well before this started.  We don&#039;t need another 2,000 page bill that no one will read. The courts obligation is to uphold the existing rules.  Their job is not easy these days.  I pray they have the wisdom and fortitude.  

If Moraitis is legit, he will propose and get passed serious increases in the penalties for now common transgressions such as fraudulent accounting, fraudulent affidavits, fraudulent notarizations, violations of FDCPA and FDUPTA, fraud on the courts, Bar violations by lawyers; and establish State licensing of attorneys since the Bar&#039;s have a conflict of interest and are failing to police its own memebers; re-split commercial and investment banks; require originating lenders keep skin in the game; and on and on.  

&#039;Tis a telling time indeed.  How it turns out will be determined by what the majority constituents demand ... or don&#039;t.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1)&#8221;Legitimate property interest&#8221; and &#8220;equity&#8221; are not the same thing.<br />
2) to pparke500:  &#8230;&#8221;Look to Treaury for recoupment&#8221; says it all .. which is the end game for the king banks and Wall Street to save their balance sheets, and for Treasury and our elected officials to cover their grave, arrogant and inexcusable performance. Also means the general taxpayer will pay the tab for the poor business decisions of businesses that should otherwise fail &#8230; again.<br />
3) Finance now claims they need the rules bent to accomodate loan securitization to &#8220;keep costs down for the borrowers&#8221;.  Hogwash.  Watch for the law changes they&#8217;ll be wanting to usher in.  It&#8217;s already begun.<br />
4) For all the cryin going on about foreclosures, let&#8217;s consider a few things:</p>
<p> &#8211; A borrowers &#8216;promise&#8217; to pay is but one side of a two-sided contract.  There is no &#8220;moral&#8221; imperative for only one side to honor.<br />
&#8211; There is a moral imperative to guard against thievery, because undefended the hoodlums will take over.<br />
 &#8211; Contracts generally have provisions for what either side can do if the other party defaults. This works both ways.<br />
&#8211;  At the essence of a mortgage contract, a lender/note holder should have no obligation to modify or otherwise capitulate to a change in contract terms just because the borrower can&#8217;t continue to pay.  On the other hand, a lender/note holder should also be able to show they are the proper party to receive payments and show proper accounting.  The current dilema is partly due to federal involvement and the huge scope of the problem at hand.<br />
&#8211; If a lender/note holder wishes to foreclose, there are rules that they must abide by.  The basic rules are not new but centuries old, tried and true.  Same applies to those wishing to defend.<br />
&#8211; If one side or the other does not follow the rules, or can&#8217;t make their case even if they do, they should lose.  On the grand scale of this particular social dilema (2nd depression/mass economic evaporation, etc), anything less risks bastardizing our judicial system to the point of anarchy.<br />
&#8211; If you do the math on most loans in default vs. current market value of the note or the asset (property secured), then consider that most delinquent borrowers would be willing to honor their original obligation or a reduced amount still over current market value, it makes little sense that one holding a $100 note would foreclose, costing them an additional $10, so they could then sell the $100 note for say $40, netting them $30, for a 70% loss, when they could likely work a deal with the original borrower reducing their loss significantly.  Lender losses are inevitable here.  It&#8217;s only a matter of how much.  So why would they do that? Because it pays more than the alternative.   Math and money.  Think credit default swaps (insurance policies), FDIC loss-share agreements and $140 Billion taxpayer bailout of AIG.  Then think tax dollars swirling down a hole.</p>
<p>At the end of the day the legal rules were all in place well before this started.  We don&#8217;t need another 2,000 page bill that no one will read. The courts obligation is to uphold the existing rules.  Their job is not easy these days.  I pray they have the wisdom and fortitude.  </p>
<p>If Moraitis is legit, he will propose and get passed serious increases in the penalties for now common transgressions such as fraudulent accounting, fraudulent affidavits, fraudulent notarizations, violations of FDCPA and FDUPTA, fraud on the courts, Bar violations by lawyers; and establish State licensing of attorneys since the Bar&#8217;s have a conflict of interest and are failing to police its own memebers; re-split commercial and investment banks; require originating lenders keep skin in the game; and on and on.  </p>
<p>&#8216;Tis a telling time indeed.  How it turns out will be determined by what the majority constituents demand &#8230; or don&#8217;t.</p>
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