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	Comments on: Case Dismissed WITHOUT Leave to Amend &#124; FL Rule 1.110(b) Verification of Mortgage Foreclosure Complaint	</title>
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		By: rj		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2011 00:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://4closurefraud.org/2011/01/29/case-dismissed-without-leave-to-amend-fl-rule-1-110b-verification-of-mortgage-foreclosure-complaint/#comment-19030&quot;&gt;Rj&lt;/a&gt;.

I know the bank I financed the mortgage with.  I know the debt is still outstanding, and that I still owe that debt, because it has not been paid.  I have a debt paydown schedule and regardless of whether the note has been sold to another bank or not should not be relevant--the debt to me remains outstanding.  The debt has not been paid BY ME.  Which means it&#039;s still outstanding.  Why do you think the sale of the note to another holder causes your personal obligation to disappear?  

Let&#039;s cut to the chase--you believe &#039;proof&#039; is required to show that you owe; frankly, you KNOW whether you still owe on your mortgage.  Your servicer provides a monthly statement which confirms it.  You and I will thus disagree as to the morality of walking away from an obligation into which you entered freely and which ultimately others will be forced to pay.  Rationalize it how you will, but every other homeowner who doesn&#039;t walk away from their mortgage and prospective homeowners will be paying for these individuals via higher taxes (through the numerous mod programs) and through higher interest rates or a overarching lack of credit being extended to new and existing homeowners.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://4closurefraud.org/2011/01/29/case-dismissed-without-leave-to-amend-fl-rule-1-110b-verification-of-mortgage-foreclosure-complaint/#comment-19030">Rj</a>.</p>
<p>I know the bank I financed the mortgage with.  I know the debt is still outstanding, and that I still owe that debt, because it has not been paid.  I have a debt paydown schedule and regardless of whether the note has been sold to another bank or not should not be relevant&#8211;the debt to me remains outstanding.  The debt has not been paid BY ME.  Which means it&#8217;s still outstanding.  Why do you think the sale of the note to another holder causes your personal obligation to disappear?  </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s cut to the chase&#8211;you believe &#8216;proof&#8217; is required to show that you owe; frankly, you KNOW whether you still owe on your mortgage.  Your servicer provides a monthly statement which confirms it.  You and I will thus disagree as to the morality of walking away from an obligation into which you entered freely and which ultimately others will be forced to pay.  Rationalize it how you will, but every other homeowner who doesn&#8217;t walk away from their mortgage and prospective homeowners will be paying for these individuals via higher taxes (through the numerous mod programs) and through higher interest rates or a overarching lack of credit being extended to new and existing homeowners.</p>
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		By: lyn		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lyn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2011 22:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://4closurefraud.org/2011/01/29/case-dismissed-without-leave-to-amend-fl-rule-1-110b-verification-of-mortgage-foreclosure-complaint/#comment-19030&quot;&gt;Rj&lt;/a&gt;.

Whoops,

I think you are totally out of touch.  Do you have any idea who financed your &quot;mortgage&quot;?  The bank did not!  Why should you continue to pay for a mortgage when it has been paid for three times.  When you signed your mortgage note the bank stamped paid to the order of and monetized it.  Your original unaltered bank note no longer exist.  Where is the proof of debt?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://4closurefraud.org/2011/01/29/case-dismissed-without-leave-to-amend-fl-rule-1-110b-verification-of-mortgage-foreclosure-complaint/#comment-19030">Rj</a>.</p>
<p>Whoops,</p>
<p>I think you are totally out of touch.  Do you have any idea who financed your &#8220;mortgage&#8221;?  The bank did not!  Why should you continue to pay for a mortgage when it has been paid for three times.  When you signed your mortgage note the bank stamped paid to the order of and monetized it.  Your original unaltered bank note no longer exist.  Where is the proof of debt?</p>
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		By: rj		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rj]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jan 2011 23:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://4closurefraud.org/2011/01/29/case-dismissed-without-leave-to-amend-fl-rule-1-110b-verification-of-mortgage-foreclosure-complaint/#comment-19030&quot;&gt;Rj&lt;/a&gt;.

Ramona, this is a ridiculous response.   The issues with foreclosures are primarily related to mortgages that were improperly assigned, not with foreclosures on properties where mortgage payments are being made.  If it&#039;s your contention that this isn&#039;t the case, you are beyond ill informed.  

In the cases where foreclosure has been initiated for lack of payment:  When you can explain why a homeowner that isn&#039;t paying the mortgage payments should be able to retain the property, then you&#039;ll have some credibility.  Spurious arguments about a bank &#039;stealing&#039; property hold as much weight in water as a leaky bucket.  And so do your comments.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://4closurefraud.org/2011/01/29/case-dismissed-without-leave-to-amend-fl-rule-1-110b-verification-of-mortgage-foreclosure-complaint/#comment-19030">Rj</a>.</p>
<p>Ramona, this is a ridiculous response.   The issues with foreclosures are primarily related to mortgages that were improperly assigned, not with foreclosures on properties where mortgage payments are being made.  If it&#8217;s your contention that this isn&#8217;t the case, you are beyond ill informed.  </p>
<p>In the cases where foreclosure has been initiated for lack of payment:  When you can explain why a homeowner that isn&#8217;t paying the mortgage payments should be able to retain the property, then you&#8217;ll have some credibility.  Spurious arguments about a bank &#8216;stealing&#8217; property hold as much weight in water as a leaky bucket.  And so do your comments.</p>
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		By: RAMONA		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RAMONA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jan 2011 23:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://4closurefraud.org/2011/01/29/case-dismissed-without-leave-to-amend-fl-rule-1-110b-verification-of-mortgage-foreclosure-complaint/#comment-19030&quot;&gt;Rj&lt;/a&gt;.

the banks are foreclosing  on homes that are paying their mortgages. Where have you been? the banks are stealing our properties. THE Banks benefit greater if they foreclose and even the courts are depending on the money from them here in florida!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://4closurefraud.org/2011/01/29/case-dismissed-without-leave-to-amend-fl-rule-1-110b-verification-of-mortgage-foreclosure-complaint/#comment-19030">Rj</a>.</p>
<p>the banks are foreclosing  on homes that are paying their mortgages. Where have you been? the banks are stealing our properties. THE Banks benefit greater if they foreclose and even the courts are depending on the money from them here in florida!!</p>
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		By: Rj		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rj]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jan 2011 20:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://4closurefraud.org/2011/01/29/case-dismissed-without-leave-to-amend-fl-rule-1-110b-verification-of-mortgage-foreclosure-complaint/#comment-18952&quot;&gt;l vent&lt;/a&gt;.

I don&#039;t understand a thought process like this.  There is no requirement for the mortgagor to know if the note is being transferred to another.  Frankly, one could argue the only info the mortgagor needs to know is the mailing address of the servicer to whom the mortgage payment should be sent.  This isn&#039;t a constitutional matter, despite all your rethoric.  On the one hand you talk about the banks having &#039;lost track of their ownership and clouded title for them&#039;; on the other hand you talk about the mortgagor as if they are the sole owner of the property without regards to the ownership interest of a third party.  It&#039;s pretty simple, really:  If you pay your mortgage, you typically don&#039;t end up having your property foreclosed on (notwithstanding the sensationalist news stories of one-off situations where the bank records were incorrect--those situations were rectified and the banks made restitution as appropriate).  

Clouded would be a polite way to describe your posting, which is hardly based in any justifiable legal argument.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://4closurefraud.org/2011/01/29/case-dismissed-without-leave-to-amend-fl-rule-1-110b-verification-of-mortgage-foreclosure-complaint/#comment-18952">l vent</a>.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand a thought process like this.  There is no requirement for the mortgagor to know if the note is being transferred to another.  Frankly, one could argue the only info the mortgagor needs to know is the mailing address of the servicer to whom the mortgage payment should be sent.  This isn&#8217;t a constitutional matter, despite all your rethoric.  On the one hand you talk about the banks having &#8216;lost track of their ownership and clouded title for them&#8217;; on the other hand you talk about the mortgagor as if they are the sole owner of the property without regards to the ownership interest of a third party.  It&#8217;s pretty simple, really:  If you pay your mortgage, you typically don&#8217;t end up having your property foreclosed on (notwithstanding the sensationalist news stories of one-off situations where the bank records were incorrect&#8211;those situations were rectified and the banks made restitution as appropriate).  </p>
<p>Clouded would be a polite way to describe your posting, which is hardly based in any justifiable legal argument.</p>
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		By: Stupendous Man - Defender of Liberty - Foe of Tyranny		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stupendous Man - Defender of Liberty - Foe of Tyranny]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jan 2011 19:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://4closurefraud.org/2011/01/29/case-dismissed-without-leave-to-amend-fl-rule-1-110b-verification-of-mortgage-foreclosure-complaint/#comment-18952&quot;&gt;l vent&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;Because they NEVER RECORDED ANY NOTES...&quot;

Notes are not required to be recorded. 


&quot;They are using VERY UNFAIR AND DECEPTIVE PRACTICES A/K/A THE RICO ACT...&quot; 

RICO specifically involves racketeering. You may be confusing RICO and UDAP, or the Unfair and Deceptive Practices Act. That of course is Federal. Given that foreclosure is handled in state court folks might want to check the local consumer protection laws to see what, if any, state laws there are similar, or identical, to the Federal UDAP.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://4closurefraud.org/2011/01/29/case-dismissed-without-leave-to-amend-fl-rule-1-110b-verification-of-mortgage-foreclosure-complaint/#comment-18952">l vent</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;Because they NEVER RECORDED ANY NOTES&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Notes are not required to be recorded. </p>
<p>&#8220;They are using VERY UNFAIR AND DECEPTIVE PRACTICES A/K/A THE RICO ACT&#8230;&#8221; </p>
<p>RICO specifically involves racketeering. You may be confusing RICO and UDAP, or the Unfair and Deceptive Practices Act. That of course is Federal. Given that foreclosure is handled in state court folks might want to check the local consumer protection laws to see what, if any, state laws there are similar, or identical, to the Federal UDAP.</p>
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		By: l vent		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Jan 2011 20:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When the rule of law only applies to us and the Constitution only protects them,  there is a serious problem in this Country and that needs to be addressed by the U.S. Supreme Court. How could they have been allowed to transfer OUR PROPERTY to other BANKS and INVESTORS using an UNSECURED INSTRUMENT CALLED A NOTE?  Because they NEVER RECORDED ANY NOTES they should have NEVER BEEN ALLOWED to TRANSFER OUR PROPERTY to anyone else and that alone should STOP ALL FRAUDCLOSURES. That is SECURITIES FRAUD.  The only LEGAL WAY and CONSTITUTIONAL WAY they should have been able to transfer property rights is VIA  AN UNIFORM SECURITY INSTRUMENT . Problem is there NEVER WAS ONE THAT EXISTED ON THE WHOLE PLANET. That is why they &quot;LOST TRACK&quot; of THEIR Ownership and CLOUDED TITLE FOR THEM, NOT US.. Not even withstanding the fact that they NEVER SECURED (ASSIGNED) THE MORTGAGE TO THE DEED to create COLLATERAL FOR THEMSELVES so they could participate in the BIGGEST PONZI SCHEME IN HISTORY up on WALL STREET.  FRAUD ON TOP OF FRAUD. They are using VERY UNFAIR AND  DECEPTIVE PRACTICES A/K/A THE RICO ACT to STEAL OUR PROPERTY. That is completely COMMUNIST and UNAMERICAN.  WHERE ARE THE FEDS?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the rule of law only applies to us and the Constitution only protects them,  there is a serious problem in this Country and that needs to be addressed by the U.S. Supreme Court. How could they have been allowed to transfer OUR PROPERTY to other BANKS and INVESTORS using an UNSECURED INSTRUMENT CALLED A NOTE?  Because they NEVER RECORDED ANY NOTES they should have NEVER BEEN ALLOWED to TRANSFER OUR PROPERTY to anyone else and that alone should STOP ALL FRAUDCLOSURES. That is SECURITIES FRAUD.  The only LEGAL WAY and CONSTITUTIONAL WAY they should have been able to transfer property rights is VIA  AN UNIFORM SECURITY INSTRUMENT . Problem is there NEVER WAS ONE THAT EXISTED ON THE WHOLE PLANET. That is why they &#8220;LOST TRACK&#8221; of THEIR Ownership and CLOUDED TITLE FOR THEM, NOT US.. Not even withstanding the fact that they NEVER SECURED (ASSIGNED) THE MORTGAGE TO THE DEED to create COLLATERAL FOR THEMSELVES so they could participate in the BIGGEST PONZI SCHEME IN HISTORY up on WALL STREET.  FRAUD ON TOP OF FRAUD. They are using VERY UNFAIR AND  DECEPTIVE PRACTICES A/K/A THE RICO ACT to STEAL OUR PROPERTY. That is completely COMMUNIST and UNAMERICAN.  WHERE ARE THE FEDS?</p>
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		By: James M		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James M]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Jan 2011 18:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Two things to note from this order:

A)  It suggests that the attorney may sign the verification.  Other courts have found diffrent, that it is the plaintiff who must verify, not their counsel.

B)  Note the last cc at the very very bottom left of the page: The Florida Bar.  This should happen more a lot more often.

Otherwise a very good order.  

I like the bit about the re-hearing being only on the subject of residential or not - but think the court could not actually enforce that section of the order, for a motion to re-hear may be directed to any part of the order hearing.  For example the courts improper exclusion of an item of evidence.  There again, it certainly informs the Plaintiff on what specific grounds the court is prepared to reconsider the order.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two things to note from this order:</p>
<p>A)  It suggests that the attorney may sign the verification.  Other courts have found diffrent, that it is the plaintiff who must verify, not their counsel.</p>
<p>B)  Note the last cc at the very very bottom left of the page: The Florida Bar.  This should happen more a lot more often.</p>
<p>Otherwise a very good order.  </p>
<p>I like the bit about the re-hearing being only on the subject of residential or not &#8211; but think the court could not actually enforce that section of the order, for a motion to re-hear may be directed to any part of the order hearing.  For example the courts improper exclusion of an item of evidence.  There again, it certainly informs the Plaintiff on what specific grounds the court is prepared to reconsider the order.</p>
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