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		By: CHERRYWARMKY		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[LISTEN I WAS HOPING I HAD ONE OF THESE EMAILS  lol  so i could tell you this!     i had this dream last night  dont know who person was he was standig in front of a blackboard with a gree color back round   like a teacher   and he said tell  the man who says  they stole our money...the answer is           MR SOBEIT!!!   HAHAHAHAHA  OH MY  CHECKED MAIL FIRST  OR I WAS GOING TO SHOOT ME AN EMAIL  THAT SAID THEY STOLE OUR MONEY!!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LISTEN I WAS HOPING I HAD ONE OF THESE EMAILS  lol  so i could tell you this!     i had this dream last night  dont know who person was he was standig in front of a blackboard with a gree color back round   like a teacher   and he said tell  the man who says  they stole our money&#8230;the answer is           MR SOBEIT!!!   HAHAHAHAHA  OH MY  CHECKED MAIL FIRST  OR I WAS GOING TO SHOOT ME AN EMAIL  THAT SAID THEY STOLE OUR MONEY!!!</p>
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		By: Retro Housewife		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Retro Housewife]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Mar 2011 07:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[No, No, No With regards to pension funding: Read the Stanford study.
http://siepr.stanford.edu/system/files/shared/GoingforBroke_pb.pdf 

Wall Street was certainly an eager participant in and is partially responsible for the financial collapse, but by no means did they do it alone. Your piece above pretends that housing bubbles come out of nowhere like rouge waves - without any identifiable cause. Housing bubbles can&#039;t happen without the means to buy houses, and in this case the means was cheap, plentiful money provided initially by the Federal Reserve to banks, which act as the distribution system. At the same time, there was a disconnect between those working with the public to lend the money, and those who bear the risk of the loan. They were lending other people&#039;s money - which turned out to be taxpayer money - and were making money themselves based on how many loans they made, regardless of whether the borrower could pay back the money.

Then, the lard-ass from Massachusetts and the rest of his crew lowered underwriting standards so everyone could play. Finally, the rating agencies totally and utterly failed and should be chased out of the country as they are corrupt idiots. By the time it all got to Wall Street, it was already a disaster. Wall Street misrepresented the junk assets they were securitizing and turned out to be too incestuous to adequately spread the risk but it would have fallen apart with or without them. They just made a ton of money off the whole deal which is why everybody hates them. 

But they couldn&#039;t of done it without you, and you and you too. Sorry, Charlie.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, No, No With regards to pension funding: Read the Stanford study.<br />
<a href="http://siepr.stanford.edu/system/files/shared/GoingforBroke_pb.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">http://siepr.stanford.edu/system/files/shared/GoingforBroke_pb.pdf</a> </p>
<p>Wall Street was certainly an eager participant in and is partially responsible for the financial collapse, but by no means did they do it alone. Your piece above pretends that housing bubbles come out of nowhere like rouge waves &#8211; without any identifiable cause. Housing bubbles can&#8217;t happen without the means to buy houses, and in this case the means was cheap, plentiful money provided initially by the Federal Reserve to banks, which act as the distribution system. At the same time, there was a disconnect between those working with the public to lend the money, and those who bear the risk of the loan. They were lending other people&#8217;s money &#8211; which turned out to be taxpayer money &#8211; and were making money themselves based on how many loans they made, regardless of whether the borrower could pay back the money.</p>
<p>Then, the lard-ass from Massachusetts and the rest of his crew lowered underwriting standards so everyone could play. Finally, the rating agencies totally and utterly failed and should be chased out of the country as they are corrupt idiots. By the time it all got to Wall Street, it was already a disaster. Wall Street misrepresented the junk assets they were securitizing and turned out to be too incestuous to adequately spread the risk but it would have fallen apart with or without them. They just made a ton of money off the whole deal which is why everybody hates them. </p>
<p>But they couldn&#8217;t of done it without you, and you and you too. Sorry, Charlie.</p>
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		By: acmodspecialists		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2011 07:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://4closurefraud.org/2011/03/02/they-stole-your-money-too-the-origins-and-severity-of-the-public-pension-crisis/#comment-22566&quot;&gt;l vent&lt;/a&gt;.

So who owns them?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://4closurefraud.org/2011/03/02/they-stole-your-money-too-the-origins-and-severity-of-the-public-pension-crisis/#comment-22566">l vent</a>.</p>
<p>So who owns them?</p>
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		By: l vent		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[l vent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Mar 2011 18:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://4closurefraud.org/2011/03/02/they-stole-your-money-too-the-origins-and-severity-of-the-public-pension-crisis/#comment-22565&quot;&gt;obam&lt;/a&gt;.

No American citizen should vote for any of these liars and frauds.  We elect no one and that  LIE is a gigantic diabolical deception. They fear the day we STOP VOTING!!!!  Dylan Ratigan had a guest on his show at election time who wrote a book Don&#039;t Vote For Any Of The Bastards.  That is what will let the liars know we all know the whole system is RIGGED. .]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://4closurefraud.org/2011/03/02/they-stole-your-money-too-the-origins-and-severity-of-the-public-pension-crisis/#comment-22565">obam</a>.</p>
<p>No American citizen should vote for any of these liars and frauds.  We elect no one and that  LIE is a gigantic diabolical deception. They fear the day we STOP VOTING!!!!  Dylan Ratigan had a guest on his show at election time who wrote a book Don&#8217;t Vote For Any Of The Bastards.  That is what will let the liars know we all know the whole system is RIGGED. .</p>
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		By: l vent		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[l vent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Mar 2011 18:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://4closurefraud.org/2011/03/02/they-stole-your-money-too-the-origins-and-severity-of-the-public-pension-crisis/#comment-22562&quot;&gt;l vent&lt;/a&gt;.

These MULTINATIONAL BANKSTERS are NOT who many perceive them to be.  We all need to take a closer look. They are very deceptive indeed. Chase, BofA, and all others are percieved as being American owned, that is an absolutely , destructive, diabolical LIE, that is a giant deception. Wake Up America..]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://4closurefraud.org/2011/03/02/they-stole-your-money-too-the-origins-and-severity-of-the-public-pension-crisis/#comment-22562">l vent</a>.</p>
<p>These MULTINATIONAL BANKSTERS are NOT who many perceive them to be.  We all need to take a closer look. They are very deceptive indeed. Chase, BofA, and all others are percieved as being American owned, that is an absolutely , destructive, diabolical LIE, that is a giant deception. Wake Up America..</p>
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		By: obam		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[obam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Mar 2011 17:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Take it to the streets people. Get rid of every single scumbag judge and politician..]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take it to the streets people. Get rid of every single scumbag judge and politician..</p>
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		By: l vent		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[l vent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Mar 2011 17:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://4closurefraud.org/2011/03/02/they-stole-your-money-too-the-origins-and-severity-of-the-public-pension-crisis/#comment-22556&quot;&gt;John R&lt;/a&gt;.

It looks rather diabolical. It also looks like we are all living in the revived Roman Empire. If it looks like a dictatorship and it smells like a dictatorship than............my God, I think we&#039;ve got it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://4closurefraud.org/2011/03/02/they-stole-your-money-too-the-origins-and-severity-of-the-public-pension-crisis/#comment-22556">John R</a>.</p>
<p>It looks rather diabolical. It also looks like we are all living in the revived Roman Empire. If it looks like a dictatorship and it smells like a dictatorship than&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;my God, I think we&#8217;ve got it.</p>
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		By: l vent		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Mar 2011 17:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes, massive, pernicious fraud in the banking sector. Diabolical Financial Terrorism committed by the large MULTINATIONAL BANKSTERS. Now,  It feels kinda like we are all walking in quicksand and that is just where they want us.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, massive, pernicious fraud in the banking sector. Diabolical Financial Terrorism committed by the large MULTINATIONAL BANKSTERS. Now,  It feels kinda like we are all walking in quicksand and that is just where they want us.</p>
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		By: John R		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John R]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Mar 2011 16:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Of course if this financial crisis is, as the conspiracy theorists claim, an attack on the financial system of the US, then maybe the suits to expose the REMIC shattering&#039;s are yet to come.

After all, stealing our money is one way to gain power, ruining what can&#039;t be stolen would be another.

Kinda like the ancients who, in times of siege, would catapult human bodies with the plague into fortresses... or salt or poison the water supplies.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course if this financial crisis is, as the conspiracy theorists claim, an attack on the financial system of the US, then maybe the suits to expose the REMIC shattering&#8217;s are yet to come.</p>
<p>After all, stealing our money is one way to gain power, ruining what can&#8217;t be stolen would be another.</p>
<p>Kinda like the ancients who, in times of siege, would catapult human bodies with the plague into fortresses&#8230; or salt or poison the water supplies.</p>
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		By: John R		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John R]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Mar 2011 16:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And doesn&#039;t it also make sense that every time a Judge &quot;legitimizes&quot; a post dated assignment of mortgage, that he&#039;s participating in shattering the REMIC veil? As these are static Trusts, with the requirement of only ONE Depositor, and that ONE Depositor having only a specified amount of time to deposit into the Trust, an Assignment of Mortgage dated past that date or a Deposit from some entity other than &quot;the depositor&quot;  proves acceptance into the Trust of an Asset in violation of the trust&#039;s Legal ability to accept it.

Puncture the veil enough times (actually only once) and it&#039;s no longer a REMIC... it&#039;s just a trust and therefore all the income that WAS Deposited into it bears the requirement of taxable income!

So for hypothetical purposes... we&#039;ve got a $1 Billion REMIC  that lost half it&#039;s value in the &quot;Fall&quot; of 2008
Down to $ 1/2 a Billion now.

The REMIC shield is removed!

The trust now owes 30% (hypothetical... I don&#039;t know current rates) of the original $1 Billion or $300,000 in Taxes.

Now that same Trust (once $1 billion) is now only $200,000.

Since the Judge&#039;s retirement funds are the owners of a lot of these Trust Certificates, you&#039;d think they&#039;d be pissed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And doesn&#8217;t it also make sense that every time a Judge &#8220;legitimizes&#8221; a post dated assignment of mortgage, that he&#8217;s participating in shattering the REMIC veil? As these are static Trusts, with the requirement of only ONE Depositor, and that ONE Depositor having only a specified amount of time to deposit into the Trust, an Assignment of Mortgage dated past that date or a Deposit from some entity other than &#8220;the depositor&#8221;  proves acceptance into the Trust of an Asset in violation of the trust&#8217;s Legal ability to accept it.</p>
<p>Puncture the veil enough times (actually only once) and it&#8217;s no longer a REMIC&#8230; it&#8217;s just a trust and therefore all the income that WAS Deposited into it bears the requirement of taxable income!</p>
<p>So for hypothetical purposes&#8230; we&#8217;ve got a $1 Billion REMIC  that lost half it&#8217;s value in the &#8220;Fall&#8221; of 2008<br />
Down to $ 1/2 a Billion now.</p>
<p>The REMIC shield is removed!</p>
<p>The trust now owes 30% (hypothetical&#8230; I don&#8217;t know current rates) of the original $1 Billion or $300,000 in Taxes.</p>
<p>Now that same Trust (once $1 billion) is now only $200,000.</p>
<p>Since the Judge&#8217;s retirement funds are the owners of a lot of these Trust Certificates, you&#8217;d think they&#8217;d be pissed.</p>
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