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		By: l vent		</title>
		<link>https://4closurefraud.org/2011/03/07/flush-the-ags-27-pages-of-fluff/#comment-23519</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[l vent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Mar 2011 02:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://4closurefraud.org/2011/03/07/flush-the-ags-27-pages-of-fluff/#comment-23232&quot;&gt;tremendous view&lt;/a&gt;.

What show idiot?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://4closurefraud.org/2011/03/07/flush-the-ags-27-pages-of-fluff/#comment-23232">tremendous view</a>.</p>
<p>What show idiot?</p>
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		By: Pamela		</title>
		<link>https://4closurefraud.org/2011/03/07/flush-the-ags-27-pages-of-fluff/#comment-23308</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pamela]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Mar 2011 16:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[FLUFF is about it in a nut shell and thats about it.Everybody needs to get into the mindset that there is no help for us the home owners unless we do it for ourselves.There is no Knight in Shining Armor thats going to come to our rescue and make the world a better place for any of us.It&#039;s going to take a lot of hard work,some losses and some gains,but nobody is going to do it for us.More importantly we need to keep in perspective that if we don&#039;t take back what is rightfully ours we will be adding to the crime that has been perpetrated against us and allowing our children to see us as a bunch of lay down and die idiotsticks that could&#039;nt unite on a common course of action to not only save ourselves but them as well.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FLUFF is about it in a nut shell and thats about it.Everybody needs to get into the mindset that there is no help for us the home owners unless we do it for ourselves.There is no Knight in Shining Armor thats going to come to our rescue and make the world a better place for any of us.It&#8217;s going to take a lot of hard work,some losses and some gains,but nobody is going to do it for us.More importantly we need to keep in perspective that if we don&#8217;t take back what is rightfully ours we will be adding to the crime that has been perpetrated against us and allowing our children to see us as a bunch of lay down and die idiotsticks that could&#8217;nt unite on a common course of action to not only save ourselves but them as well.</p>
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		By: george babcock		</title>
		<link>https://4closurefraud.org/2011/03/07/flush-the-ags-27-pages-of-fluff/#comment-23294</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[george babcock]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Mar 2011 14:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So nothing changes.  Lawsuits continue, fraud continues, the meltdown of America continues.  What a shame.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So nothing changes.  Lawsuits continue, fraud continues, the meltdown of America continues.  What a shame.</p>
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		By: Grady		</title>
		<link>https://4closurefraud.org/2011/03/07/flush-the-ags-27-pages-of-fluff/#comment-23281</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Grady]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Mar 2011 12:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The rule of law is dead in America. It is simply used to advance political agendas and ideology, punish those that resist, enrich the masters of our fiat government, and further the interests of those that plan to enslave us.

The attorney Generals do not have the Constitutional authority to &quot;absolve&quot; criminals of their crimes. They do not have the authority to disregard the law. Anyone of them that does this, must be recalled for violating their oath to defend the Constitution. That includes Pam Bondi. If she signs on to this and the criminals are not held accountable for their crimes, she must be recalled.  

Why are not the defense attorneys in this foreclosure mess, not suggesting their clients file criminal complaints against the robo signers and those that have manufactured false documents and filed them in public records and with the Court? There are statutes that they are violating. Why do we tolerate this and depend on the Attorney Generals to take action?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The rule of law is dead in America. It is simply used to advance political agendas and ideology, punish those that resist, enrich the masters of our fiat government, and further the interests of those that plan to enslave us.</p>
<p>The attorney Generals do not have the Constitutional authority to &#8220;absolve&#8221; criminals of their crimes. They do not have the authority to disregard the law. Anyone of them that does this, must be recalled for violating their oath to defend the Constitution. That includes Pam Bondi. If she signs on to this and the criminals are not held accountable for their crimes, she must be recalled.  </p>
<p>Why are not the defense attorneys in this foreclosure mess, not suggesting their clients file criminal complaints against the robo signers and those that have manufactured false documents and filed them in public records and with the Court? There are statutes that they are violating. Why do we tolerate this and depend on the Attorney Generals to take action?</p>
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		By: Tim Bryant		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim Bryant]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Mar 2011 12:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[They are all gutless!!   I guess all the campaign contributions they were receiving during the investigation went a long way (BTW, Yes is the answer, if you are wondering if that is illegal).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are all gutless!!   I guess all the campaign contributions they were receiving during the investigation went a long way (BTW, Yes is the answer, if you are wondering if that is illegal).</p>
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		By: losing my home in florida		</title>
		<link>https://4closurefraud.org/2011/03/07/flush-the-ags-27-pages-of-fluff/#comment-23262</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[losing my home in florida]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Mar 2011 07:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[SO................let me get this what wells fargo just did to me and my family is perfectly ok.   they tank the economy my approving subprime mortgages.  food , healhtcare, gas ect (clothes, medicines)  go so high the rest of us cant afford our fraudulently over appraised home  because we have not had a raise in 10 yrs and prices keep climbing.    you apply for a hamp loan,  they lose the paper  work and they get away with this?  if you google  mortgage modification fraud, lost paper work  it will make you sick to see that it is done by every servicer in every state.  Now let me ask all of oyu who are trying to save your home like me.....  wells farg asked for my finacial statement the 2nd one,  feb 14th.  i sent it feb 3rd  in a fedez envelpope they sent.  i kept the tracking number.
on feb 15 they inquired why have i not sentt the paper work  i told them i sent it feb 3rd.  the next day feb 16 they generated a letter for rmy hamp denial.  and you will laugh why i was denied.  &quot;i did not submiy paper work in a timley fashion&quot; .    on feb 21 they put me in foreclsoure and sent me to short sale dept.  oh ok im just going to give my  house away????????            so i stormed in the post office where isent my fedex package from and asked what the trackcing number is for.  he told me they will contact the person that signed for the package.
the fedex supervisor told me they tried calling wells fargo and could not get this person on the phone.  so not even our paper work is safe with a fedex tracking number.   funny we all understand you I VENT but there is nothing we can do  i live in florida  what do you want me to do from here,    the fraudulently appraised all our house.  my home was 260k now worth 106k   so can i do.  losing my paper work  and now foreclosure.  they crazy part is the florida lawyers that take these cases for the banks.  they know we have been scammed by the banks and now we are getting sued doesnt at all make sense.  the lawyer in orlando is Erin Ward 3185 south conway rd suite E orlando florida 32812.   she sounds youg.  she should not be defending wells fargo they are the ones bankrupting our state but no one sees this?/??

please if everyone reading this wants to  help my family  and the state of florida please write this lawyer and tell  her the wells fargo a and all the rest of the banks are committing fraud.  they are deceptively  losing paper work..  they  should  turn around the foreclosures and have a class action lawsuit now that that they have the names of the florida residents names  whom have been defrauded.  foreclosures are bankrupting our state.
she is in Orlando for sakes its just as bad there as here.  

i am so sad and so stressed my family feels it but i just cant seem to understand how WELLS FAR$GO can away with stealing our homes.  and we all sit back do nothing about it.
my great grandparents were in Auschwitz.  if it wasn&#039;t for their fighting spirit i would not be here.  this is my Holocaust and my home is my concentration camp.  now instead of my people being  murdered they are stealing our homes.  one by one.  if i new how to fight this i would.  there is not enough hours in the day.please all of you lets help each other.  i am o scared.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SO&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.let me get this what wells fargo just did to me and my family is perfectly ok.   they tank the economy my approving subprime mortgages.  food , healhtcare, gas ect (clothes, medicines)  go so high the rest of us cant afford our fraudulently over appraised home  because we have not had a raise in 10 yrs and prices keep climbing.    you apply for a hamp loan,  they lose the paper  work and they get away with this?  if you google  mortgage modification fraud, lost paper work  it will make you sick to see that it is done by every servicer in every state.  Now let me ask all of oyu who are trying to save your home like me&#8230;..  wells farg asked for my finacial statement the 2nd one,  feb 14th.  i sent it feb 3rd  in a fedez envelpope they sent.  i kept the tracking number.<br />
on feb 15 they inquired why have i not sentt the paper work  i told them i sent it feb 3rd.  the next day feb 16 they generated a letter for rmy hamp denial.  and you will laugh why i was denied.  &#8220;i did not submiy paper work in a timley fashion&#8221; .    on feb 21 they put me in foreclsoure and sent me to short sale dept.  oh ok im just going to give my  house away????????            so i stormed in the post office where isent my fedex package from and asked what the trackcing number is for.  he told me they will contact the person that signed for the package.<br />
the fedex supervisor told me they tried calling wells fargo and could not get this person on the phone.  so not even our paper work is safe with a fedex tracking number.   funny we all understand you I VENT but there is nothing we can do  i live in florida  what do you want me to do from here,    the fraudulently appraised all our house.  my home was 260k now worth 106k   so can i do.  losing my paper work  and now foreclosure.  they crazy part is the florida lawyers that take these cases for the banks.  they know we have been scammed by the banks and now we are getting sued doesnt at all make sense.  the lawyer in orlando is Erin Ward 3185 south conway rd suite E orlando florida 32812.   she sounds youg.  she should not be defending wells fargo they are the ones bankrupting our state but no one sees this?/??</p>
<p>please if everyone reading this wants to  help my family  and the state of florida please write this lawyer and tell  her the wells fargo a and all the rest of the banks are committing fraud.  they are deceptively  losing paper work..  they  should  turn around the foreclosures and have a class action lawsuit now that that they have the names of the florida residents names  whom have been defrauded.  foreclosures are bankrupting our state.<br />
she is in Orlando for sakes its just as bad there as here.  </p>
<p>i am so sad and so stressed my family feels it but i just cant seem to understand how WELLS FAR$GO can away with stealing our homes.  and we all sit back do nothing about it.<br />
my great grandparents were in Auschwitz.  if it wasn&#8217;t for their fighting spirit i would not be here.  this is my Holocaust and my home is my concentration camp.  now instead of my people being  murdered they are stealing our homes.  one by one.  if i new how to fight this i would.  there is not enough hours in the day.please all of you lets help each other.  i am o scared.</p>
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		By: Cookie		</title>
		<link>https://4closurefraud.org/2011/03/07/flush-the-ags-27-pages-of-fluff/#comment-23261</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cookie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Mar 2011 07:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[https://pro.wsba.org/onlinegrievance/onlinegrievance.
WA state bar online grievance. 
Tom Miller, Washington AG, is leading this travesty. 
If they&#039;re taking $200 bribes to override the law, how can that be ethical?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://pro.wsba.org/onlinegrievance/onlinegrievance" rel="nofollow ugc">https://pro.wsba.org/onlinegrievance/onlinegrievance</a>.<br />
WA state bar online grievance.<br />
Tom Miller, Washington AG, is leading this travesty.<br />
If they&#8217;re taking $200 bribes to override the law, how can that be ethical?</p>
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		By: John Ryskamp		</title>
		<link>https://4closurefraud.org/2011/03/07/flush-the-ags-27-pages-of-fluff/#comment-23253</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Ryskamp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Mar 2011 06:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://4closurefraud.org/2011/03/07/flush-the-ags-27-pages-of-fluff/#comment-23232&quot;&gt;tremendous view&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Jim and Scott,

I think there is much more to these settlement terms than you wrote about.  You 
definitely should write another article about the Constitutional implications of 
the 27-page &quot;Settlement Terms.&quot;  


I say  this because, regardless of whether there is any &quot;agreement&quot; in the 
future with the servicers, the document itself reveals the policy toward housing 
of both the United States Government and the States.  I think that if you 
examine the terms you will see that it concedes what has long been sought by 
housing advocates: a right to housing.

In particular, the United States has long maintained (Geithner just restated it 
the other day) that there is no RIGHT to a mortgage modification.  There is a 
reason the government keeps taking this line, even though it has seemed that it 
is encouraging mortgage modifications.

It has to do with the Constitution.  Housing enjoys only &quot;minimum scrutiny&quot; 
under Lindsey v. Normet.  That is, there are virtually no individually 
enforceable rights in housing, and the political system has nearly absolute 
control over housing.  Housing policy need only be &quot;rationally related to a 
legitimate government purpose.&quot;  One of the reasons the Court did not grant 
housing a higher level of scrutiny in that case was its concern over the idea 
&quot;that the Constitution expressly protects against confiscation of private 
property or the income therefrom.&quot;  Mandated reductions of mortgage principal 
are exactly that.

The concern of the political system is that if a higher level of scrutiny is 
granted for housing--if housing is granted, for example, intermediate scrutiny, 
which says that an eviction would have to &quot;substantially advance an important 
government purpose&quot;--then virtually all power over housing (i.e., the money 
related to it) would leave the political system and be placed in the hands of 
individuals according to court-mandated standards.

However, it has become increasingly clear that U.S. ownership interests in 
financial institutions mean that these institutions are acting as the government 
in HAMP modifications.  Thus, the HAMP procedures are actually requirements 
under the Due Process Clause of the Fifth Amendment.  Under the servicing 
agreements between the servicers and financial institutions/the U.S., there is a 
third party beneficiary Federal Common Law right to a HAMP modification.  (See 
in particular, the Judge&#039;s reasoning in the Southern District of California 
Marques v. Wells Fargo case.)

The U.S. has fought a losing battle stating that HAMP does not create a housing 
right, even though a spate of poorly/casually reasoned cases seem to suggest 
otherwise--and by the way this is a right to a HAMP modification which in FACT 
reduces the risk of housing loss, not necessarily the government&#039;s 31% debt to 
income level.

Of course, what the U.S. has feared is that any increased right in housing for 
homeowners will be instantly extended to renters under equal protection.

But now we see by the &quot;Terms&quot; (generated by, among others, the Department of 
Justice), that the Government DOES believe housing enjoys a higher level of 
scrutiny, and that there is indeed an individually enforceable right to housing.

Look through the document to see how often the word &quot;shall&quot; is used.  And it is 
used to require modifications.  Also, notice that the new &quot;review&quot; process must 
be by an &quot;independent&quot; entity.  This means quasi-judicial (and soon to be 
official judicial) review in order to see that the right is enforced.

So really, the &quot;Terms&quot; are the surrender of the United States and the States to 
the proposition that HAMP creates an individually enforceable right to housing.  


That is the importance of the &quot;Terms&quot; and you should let your readers know that.

Cheers,
John Ryskamp]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://4closurefraud.org/2011/03/07/flush-the-ags-27-pages-of-fluff/#comment-23232">tremendous view</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Jim and Scott,</p>
<p>I think there is much more to these settlement terms than you wrote about.  You<br />
definitely should write another article about the Constitutional implications of<br />
the 27-page &#8220;Settlement Terms.&#8221;  </p>
<p>I say  this because, regardless of whether there is any &#8220;agreement&#8221; in the<br />
future with the servicers, the document itself reveals the policy toward housing<br />
of both the United States Government and the States.  I think that if you<br />
examine the terms you will see that it concedes what has long been sought by<br />
housing advocates: a right to housing.</p>
<p>In particular, the United States has long maintained (Geithner just restated it<br />
the other day) that there is no RIGHT to a mortgage modification.  There is a<br />
reason the government keeps taking this line, even though it has seemed that it<br />
is encouraging mortgage modifications.</p>
<p>It has to do with the Constitution.  Housing enjoys only &#8220;minimum scrutiny&#8221;<br />
under Lindsey v. Normet.  That is, there are virtually no individually<br />
enforceable rights in housing, and the political system has nearly absolute<br />
control over housing.  Housing policy need only be &#8220;rationally related to a<br />
legitimate government purpose.&#8221;  One of the reasons the Court did not grant<br />
housing a higher level of scrutiny in that case was its concern over the idea<br />
&#8220;that the Constitution expressly protects against confiscation of private<br />
property or the income therefrom.&#8221;  Mandated reductions of mortgage principal<br />
are exactly that.</p>
<p>The concern of the political system is that if a higher level of scrutiny is<br />
granted for housing&#8211;if housing is granted, for example, intermediate scrutiny,<br />
which says that an eviction would have to &#8220;substantially advance an important<br />
government purpose&#8221;&#8211;then virtually all power over housing (i.e., the money<br />
related to it) would leave the political system and be placed in the hands of<br />
individuals according to court-mandated standards.</p>
<p>However, it has become increasingly clear that U.S. ownership interests in<br />
financial institutions mean that these institutions are acting as the government<br />
in HAMP modifications.  Thus, the HAMP procedures are actually requirements<br />
under the Due Process Clause of the Fifth Amendment.  Under the servicing<br />
agreements between the servicers and financial institutions/the U.S., there is a<br />
third party beneficiary Federal Common Law right to a HAMP modification.  (See<br />
in particular, the Judge&#8217;s reasoning in the Southern District of California<br />
Marques v. Wells Fargo case.)</p>
<p>The U.S. has fought a losing battle stating that HAMP does not create a housing<br />
right, even though a spate of poorly/casually reasoned cases seem to suggest<br />
otherwise&#8211;and by the way this is a right to a HAMP modification which in FACT<br />
reduces the risk of housing loss, not necessarily the government&#8217;s 31% debt to<br />
income level.</p>
<p>Of course, what the U.S. has feared is that any increased right in housing for<br />
homeowners will be instantly extended to renters under equal protection.</p>
<p>But now we see by the &#8220;Terms&#8221; (generated by, among others, the Department of<br />
Justice), that the Government DOES believe housing enjoys a higher level of<br />
scrutiny, and that there is indeed an individually enforceable right to housing.</p>
<p>Look through the document to see how often the word &#8220;shall&#8221; is used.  And it is<br />
used to require modifications.  Also, notice that the new &#8220;review&#8221; process must<br />
be by an &#8220;independent&#8221; entity.  This means quasi-judicial (and soon to be<br />
official judicial) review in order to see that the right is enforced.</p>
<p>So really, the &#8220;Terms&#8221; are the surrender of the United States and the States to<br />
the proposition that HAMP creates an individually enforceable right to housing.  </p>
<p>That is the importance of the &#8220;Terms&#8221; and you should let your readers know that.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
John Ryskamp</p>
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		By: j a		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Mar 2011 05:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://4closurefraud.org/2011/03/07/flush-the-ags-27-pages-of-fluff/#comment-23242&quot;&gt;Anne Tyler&lt;/a&gt;.

Ann, just to clarify, that is not what I&#039;m saying at all, so your post is not a paraphrase of mine...

I am saying IT IS TIME TO TAKE THIS TO A NATIONAL LEVEL and SUE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

We have only been sold down the river if we give up, or if we continue to think this is a Florida-only issue.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://4closurefraud.org/2011/03/07/flush-the-ags-27-pages-of-fluff/#comment-23242">Anne Tyler</a>.</p>
<p>Ann, just to clarify, that is not what I&#8217;m saying at all, so your post is not a paraphrase of mine&#8230;</p>
<p>I am saying IT IS TIME TO TAKE THIS TO A NATIONAL LEVEL and SUE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.</p>
<p>We have only been sold down the river if we give up, or if we continue to think this is a Florida-only issue.</p>
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		By: l vent		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[l vent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Mar 2011 05:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://4closurefraud.org/2011/03/07/flush-the-ags-27-pages-of-fluff/#comment-23244&quot;&gt;l vent&lt;/a&gt;.

The link above will get you there but not directly for some reason.  You also may want to yahoo search the words Agenda 21.  It is the U.N./NWO/SMOM/JESUIT/BLACK POPE big plans they have had in the works for all of us devised at the Rio Summit.  Let&#039;s educate ourselves about this group of elite tyrranists and all of their evil plans for humanity..They are truly hell bent on destruction.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://4closurefraud.org/2011/03/07/flush-the-ags-27-pages-of-fluff/#comment-23244">l vent</a>.</p>
<p>The link above will get you there but not directly for some reason.  You also may want to yahoo search the words Agenda 21.  It is the U.N./NWO/SMOM/JESUIT/BLACK POPE big plans they have had in the works for all of us devised at the Rio Summit.  Let&#8217;s educate ourselves about this group of elite tyrranists and all of their evil plans for humanity..They are truly hell bent on destruction.</p>
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