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	Comments on: Foreclosure Hamlet aka Lisa Epstein&#8217;s Response to Florida Bar President RE ALCU Petition Concerns in Lee County Fraudclosures	</title>
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		By: J A		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2011 17:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://4closurefraud.org/2011/04/10/foreclosure-hamlet-aka-lisa-epsteins-response-to-florida-bar-president-re-alcu-petition-concerns-in-lee-county-fraudclosures/#comment-27043&quot;&gt;johngaltfla&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;It will take a Federal lawsuit forcing the Florida Supreme Court to enforce the 4th Amendment.&quot;

JohnGaltfla, you are correct, sir, and I&#039;ve been saying this in most posts I&#039;ve made on here and elsewhere. I know that we have a lot of intelligent attorneys who read this website and are on the side of the people. We need one of them to lead the charge in doing exactly what you said. I await the day and my paperwork is ready and in order.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://4closurefraud.org/2011/04/10/foreclosure-hamlet-aka-lisa-epsteins-response-to-florida-bar-president-re-alcu-petition-concerns-in-lee-county-fraudclosures/#comment-27043">johngaltfla</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;It will take a Federal lawsuit forcing the Florida Supreme Court to enforce the 4th Amendment.&#8221;</p>
<p>JohnGaltfla, you are correct, sir, and I&#8217;ve been saying this in most posts I&#8217;ve made on here and elsewhere. I know that we have a lot of intelligent attorneys who read this website and are on the side of the people. We need one of them to lead the charge in doing exactly what you said. I await the day and my paperwork is ready and in order.</p>
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		By: johngaltfla		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2011 15:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If anyone honestly thinks the Florida Bar will ever do anything controversial or address grievances created by their members they are smoking crack. It will take a Federal lawsuit forcing the Florida Supreme Court to enforce the 4th Amendment. The Florida legal system is a creation of the &quot;good old boy&quot; system of jurisprudence where malpractice is a daily occurrence and citizens with legal standing are steamrolled by attorneys and judges who are for sale to the highest bidder. 

After all, have you heard one peep from Ms. Downs and the Bar about the proposal to change Florida into a non-judicial foreclosure system? Nope. That process is being rammed through in the dark in Tallahassee while the media and citizens remain oblivious to the consequences of this fact. Due process in Florida is a pipe dream and the Bar could care less about the Constitution, they are too busy collecting fees from suckers who believe that most of their members will actually uphold their oath.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If anyone honestly thinks the Florida Bar will ever do anything controversial or address grievances created by their members they are smoking crack. It will take a Federal lawsuit forcing the Florida Supreme Court to enforce the 4th Amendment. The Florida legal system is a creation of the &#8220;good old boy&#8221; system of jurisprudence where malpractice is a daily occurrence and citizens with legal standing are steamrolled by attorneys and judges who are for sale to the highest bidder. </p>
<p>After all, have you heard one peep from Ms. Downs and the Bar about the proposal to change Florida into a non-judicial foreclosure system? Nope. That process is being rammed through in the dark in Tallahassee while the media and citizens remain oblivious to the consequences of this fact. Due process in Florida is a pipe dream and the Bar could care less about the Constitution, they are too busy collecting fees from suckers who believe that most of their members will actually uphold their oath.</p>
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		By: Marilyn Abdilla		</title>
		<link>https://4closurefraud.org/2011/04/10/foreclosure-hamlet-aka-lisa-epsteins-response-to-florida-bar-president-re-alcu-petition-concerns-in-lee-county-fraudclosures/#comment-27027</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2011 07:21:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ms. Downs in her third paragraph makes a  &#039; comment.&#039;.....&quot; Statements about these judges, who cannot defend themselves.&quot;    OH PLEASE...must we all play our  voilins now for the poor judges who can&#039;t defend themselves?   Is she not blowing hot air or what?  Nothing said of the thousands of homeowners who went to court  and were denied the time to defend themselves  and prove to the court the fraud...cause some judge got out of his rocking chair for a fast big buck to robo sign foreclosures.....that is what it actually is.  And to say they are too tired...quick fix it...take off that robe and make it the last time you put one on.  homeowners are tired too...but they still go to court to prove their discovery...and expect respect from the judge.  To get respect one must give respect.  So Ms. downs....know what goes on in the court before you speak...and if you are a lawyer in Florida...we know what you stand for...and it is not justice for the homeowners....but please...don&#039;t cram the pity act expecting the citizens to feel sorry for the rude obnoxious judges in some of the courts...
There are good respectful judges but the bad need to be weeded out....cause they are disgusting]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Downs in her third paragraph makes a  &#8216; comment.&#8217;&#8230;..&#8221; Statements about these judges, who cannot defend themselves.&#8221;    OH PLEASE&#8230;must we all play our  voilins now for the poor judges who can&#8217;t defend themselves?   Is she not blowing hot air or what?  Nothing said of the thousands of homeowners who went to court  and were denied the time to defend themselves  and prove to the court the fraud&#8230;cause some judge got out of his rocking chair for a fast big buck to robo sign foreclosures&#8230;..that is what it actually is.  And to say they are too tired&#8230;quick fix it&#8230;take off that robe and make it the last time you put one on.  homeowners are tired too&#8230;but they still go to court to prove their discovery&#8230;and expect respect from the judge.  To get respect one must give respect.  So Ms. downs&#8230;.know what goes on in the court before you speak&#8230;and if you are a lawyer in Florida&#8230;we know what you stand for&#8230;and it is not justice for the homeowners&#8230;.but please&#8230;don&#8217;t cram the pity act expecting the citizens to feel sorry for the rude obnoxious judges in some of the courts&#8230;<br />
There are good respectful judges but the bad need to be weeded out&#8230;.cause they are disgusting</p>
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		By: Concerned Defendant		</title>
		<link>https://4closurefraud.org/2011/04/10/foreclosure-hamlet-aka-lisa-epsteins-response-to-florida-bar-president-re-alcu-petition-concerns-in-lee-county-fraudclosures/#comment-27015</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Concerned Defendant]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2011 01:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://4closurefraud.org/2011/04/10/foreclosure-hamlet-aka-lisa-epsteins-response-to-florida-bar-president-re-alcu-petition-concerns-in-lee-county-fraudclosures/#comment-26994&quot;&gt;enough already&lt;/a&gt;.

Oh my gosh, i was in court the day he said that... that is EXACTLY what he said...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://4closurefraud.org/2011/04/10/foreclosure-hamlet-aka-lisa-epsteins-response-to-florida-bar-president-re-alcu-petition-concerns-in-lee-county-fraudclosures/#comment-26994">enough already</a>.</p>
<p>Oh my gosh, i was in court the day he said that&#8230; that is EXACTLY what he said&#8230;</p>
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		By: J A		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Apr 2011 23:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Good job, Lisa! I especially love your paragraphs at the end of your letter. What a great analogy. Sadly, the mindset that Ms. Downs represents is indicative of the pervasive problem we see in the US now from the top (fed govt) down to the bottom -- the feudal lords are pillaging the commoners, us lowly serfs.

What Ms Downs needs to realize is that we are more intelligent than she gives us credit for, and we can read between the lines of her flimsy response. Basically, it&#039;s like she&#039;s been caught in the gardening shed with her panties down and her skirts up, and now that her shenanigans and those of all her buddy lawyers and judges have been exposed, she&#039;s gotten her panties all in a twist as she hurries to cover up and skedaddle out of there.

We know what&#039;s going on. No matter what kind of letters you write, Ms Downs, we are clued in. And if you truly are as deaf, blind and just plain dumb as you sound in your letter, then you need to get out of your castle and come down to the level of us commoners and see that all of the ACLU&#039;s allegations -- and Lisa Epstein&#039;s response -- are the TRUTH.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good job, Lisa! I especially love your paragraphs at the end of your letter. What a great analogy. Sadly, the mindset that Ms. Downs represents is indicative of the pervasive problem we see in the US now from the top (fed govt) down to the bottom &#8212; the feudal lords are pillaging the commoners, us lowly serfs.</p>
<p>What Ms Downs needs to realize is that we are more intelligent than she gives us credit for, and we can read between the lines of her flimsy response. Basically, it&#8217;s like she&#8217;s been caught in the gardening shed with her panties down and her skirts up, and now that her shenanigans and those of all her buddy lawyers and judges have been exposed, she&#8217;s gotten her panties all in a twist as she hurries to cover up and skedaddle out of there.</p>
<p>We know what&#8217;s going on. No matter what kind of letters you write, Ms Downs, we are clued in. And if you truly are as deaf, blind and just plain dumb as you sound in your letter, then you need to get out of your castle and come down to the level of us commoners and see that all of the ACLU&#8217;s allegations &#8212; and Lisa Epstein&#8217;s response &#8212; are the TRUTH.</p>
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		By: Flex		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Apr 2011 22:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think Ms. Downs missed the whole point here. Instead of criticizing the general wording used in the request, she should had done what was requested of her to do. Sit in the gallery and observe what is really going on in the courts. Of course we all assumed that the Judges are doing their jobs and supposably are doing the right thing. However, we all know that many Judges are bias and are not doing justice to the homeowners in this madness of fraudclosures.   Millions had been paid to Judges to come out of retirement just to take care of the thousands of dockets, therefore, the new name of rocket-dockets. Or shall we call them robo-rocket dockets.
What does it take for anyone in the right mind and in the right side of Justice to follow the black letter law.?
Judges don&#039;t have to invent the law. The law already exist for hundreds of years.  Property law and right of ownership are as clear as can be in the text books and in the first year at any law school. I hope Ms. Downs sleep good at night and her conscious is as clean as my laundry. 
What is most mind blowing, how in the world of justice and in the United States, the role model of the world, can this atrocities happen? If every Attorney and Judge vows to obey and follow the law, how can anyone deviates from the law. The law is not written for one type of people or another. The law is for everyone, regardless sex, race, religion, or any preferential status. If we have two types of laws, one for the rich and one for the poor, the country will go to hell, chaos, violence, and destruction will rein. We will be like the third world countries where there are not laws and people are killing each other everyday by the thousands. 
We don&#039;t have to look very far to see this already happening. Look at the latest events in all over Africa, Middle East, and now Egypt and Libya.  Hopefully Ms. Downs have a very safe place to live, perhaps hundreds of feet underground in a stainless steel house. 
When all this thing blow up and for what I see what is happening from all sides, there is not place to hide. The rich, the poor, the innocent, the guilty, the public figures, the politicians, the most powerful people in the country, there is not escape. This will be like a Tsunami. Imagine millions of people protesting, arming themselves and fighting the banks, the servicers, the judges, the attorneys for the banks, the politicians, everyone they know who had been screwing them for hundreds of years. Do you really think this is not going to happen? If the whole country really knew what they are against, when they finally find out that the one they had been making their mortgage payments for the last 15, 20, or 30 years, don&#039;t have the conveyance of their Deed, the title of their property. They will go bizarre!. If Ms Downs really knew what is going on Securitization, PSA, and the Transfer of Notes to the Trustee, she will be dancing a different tune.
It is too bad that the public is not really informed and educated. We need to reach to the masses and get everyone involve. For those of you who think this is not your fight, you better think again. If you own a home and even if you don&#039;t own a home, if you value the freedom, the peace in life, the safety and security, and if you value anything at all, you should get involve and educate yourself of what really is going on. There is not excuse for ignorance. Education is everything in life. I don&#039;t know and nobody knows how long this will keep hanging on. The truth is, if it happens today or if it happens tomorrow. Are you ready for it, are you prepare, do you know what to do. All these questions and more will not be able to be answered in just one readying or in one email. Let me ask you this. How long can you last without food and water? And what if you don&#039;t have a home to live? The question is for millions of you. Once they take your shelter, your food, and water, what else is there for you to be able to survive? God Bless You and God Bless Ms Downs for what I am sure deep in her heart she has a soul and she soon will realize that the truth shall set her free and that Justice will always prevail. God Bless America!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Ms. Downs missed the whole point here. Instead of criticizing the general wording used in the request, she should had done what was requested of her to do. Sit in the gallery and observe what is really going on in the courts. Of course we all assumed that the Judges are doing their jobs and supposably are doing the right thing. However, we all know that many Judges are bias and are not doing justice to the homeowners in this madness of fraudclosures.   Millions had been paid to Judges to come out of retirement just to take care of the thousands of dockets, therefore, the new name of rocket-dockets. Or shall we call them robo-rocket dockets.<br />
What does it take for anyone in the right mind and in the right side of Justice to follow the black letter law.?<br />
Judges don&#8217;t have to invent the law. The law already exist for hundreds of years.  Property law and right of ownership are as clear as can be in the text books and in the first year at any law school. I hope Ms. Downs sleep good at night and her conscious is as clean as my laundry.<br />
What is most mind blowing, how in the world of justice and in the United States, the role model of the world, can this atrocities happen? If every Attorney and Judge vows to obey and follow the law, how can anyone deviates from the law. The law is not written for one type of people or another. The law is for everyone, regardless sex, race, religion, or any preferential status. If we have two types of laws, one for the rich and one for the poor, the country will go to hell, chaos, violence, and destruction will rein. We will be like the third world countries where there are not laws and people are killing each other everyday by the thousands.<br />
We don&#8217;t have to look very far to see this already happening. Look at the latest events in all over Africa, Middle East, and now Egypt and Libya.  Hopefully Ms. Downs have a very safe place to live, perhaps hundreds of feet underground in a stainless steel house.<br />
When all this thing blow up and for what I see what is happening from all sides, there is not place to hide. The rich, the poor, the innocent, the guilty, the public figures, the politicians, the most powerful people in the country, there is not escape. This will be like a Tsunami. Imagine millions of people protesting, arming themselves and fighting the banks, the servicers, the judges, the attorneys for the banks, the politicians, everyone they know who had been screwing them for hundreds of years. Do you really think this is not going to happen? If the whole country really knew what they are against, when they finally find out that the one they had been making their mortgage payments for the last 15, 20, or 30 years, don&#8217;t have the conveyance of their Deed, the title of their property. They will go bizarre!. If Ms Downs really knew what is going on Securitization, PSA, and the Transfer of Notes to the Trustee, she will be dancing a different tune.<br />
It is too bad that the public is not really informed and educated. We need to reach to the masses and get everyone involve. For those of you who think this is not your fight, you better think again. If you own a home and even if you don&#8217;t own a home, if you value the freedom, the peace in life, the safety and security, and if you value anything at all, you should get involve and educate yourself of what really is going on. There is not excuse for ignorance. Education is everything in life. I don&#8217;t know and nobody knows how long this will keep hanging on. The truth is, if it happens today or if it happens tomorrow. Are you ready for it, are you prepare, do you know what to do. All these questions and more will not be able to be answered in just one readying or in one email. Let me ask you this. How long can you last without food and water? And what if you don&#8217;t have a home to live? The question is for millions of you. Once they take your shelter, your food, and water, what else is there for you to be able to survive? God Bless You and God Bless Ms Downs for what I am sure deep in her heart she has a soul and she soon will realize that the truth shall set her free and that Justice will always prevail. God Bless America!</p>
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		By: enough already		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[obviously ms downs didnt here a lee county judge say to his court room
i will hear the non defended foreclsoures 1st then the defended foreclosures
and by the way if any of you are defending your foreclosure  by the time i get to the end of my day i am tired.

oh ok  she didnt hear that statement.  from our rocket docket not allowing people due proccess becuase he is going to be tired.   i sick of this all]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>obviously ms downs didnt here a lee county judge say to his court room<br />
i will hear the non defended foreclsoures 1st then the defended foreclosures<br />
and by the way if any of you are defending your foreclosure  by the time i get to the end of my day i am tired.</p>
<p>oh ok  she didnt hear that statement.  from our rocket docket not allowing people due proccess becuase he is going to be tired.   i sick of this all</p>
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		By: larry g walker		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[ms downs must be connected to one of the many servicing agents, or to one of the big banks, and is employed by one or more of the dishonest judges on the payroll  or kickbacks of the above vfirms. If any sitting judge who has any common since would just take 10 min. of his time before the foreclosure, or any other court matter, then take another 10 min. and listen to the average american citizen, and if they have a lawyer listen to them also. then look at the fact&#039;s behind each and every case.  now if no one is contesting the issue then go ahead and rocket docket  but at least to the ones who are trying to do the right thing, and to make the firms who are foreclosure, or what ever it may be.  Make them show that they have all of the original documents,  and necessary paperwork to foreclosure on each and every home.  How ever just because they have documentation, does not mean it was not forged, copied,  or is fake documents. just listen, then look, and then make a discision, at least make an attempt to correct what most people are telling the judges that the firms who are filing these cases 99% of the time are not the owner of the note/mortgage/lien.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ms downs must be connected to one of the many servicing agents, or to one of the big banks, and is employed by one or more of the dishonest judges on the payroll  or kickbacks of the above vfirms. If any sitting judge who has any common since would just take 10 min. of his time before the foreclosure, or any other court matter, then take another 10 min. and listen to the average american citizen, and if they have a lawyer listen to them also. then look at the fact&#8217;s behind each and every case.  now if no one is contesting the issue then go ahead and rocket docket  but at least to the ones who are trying to do the right thing, and to make the firms who are foreclosure, or what ever it may be.  Make them show that they have all of the original documents,  and necessary paperwork to foreclosure on each and every home.  How ever just because they have documentation, does not mean it was not forged, copied,  or is fake documents. just listen, then look, and then make a discision, at least make an attempt to correct what most people are telling the judges that the firms who are filing these cases 99% of the time are not the owner of the note/mortgage/lien.</p>
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