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		By: Jason Werner		</title>
		<link>https://4closurefraud.org/2011/07/21/fraudclosure-states-negotiating-immunity-for-banks-over-foreclosure-fraud/#comment-43268</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason Werner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2011 01:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The banks will default on any agreement or settlement anyway, just like the way they default on nearly all of their contracts already. &quot;Immunity&quot; will have no standing because of the banks&#039; continued crimes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The banks will default on any agreement or settlement anyway, just like the way they default on nearly all of their contracts already. &#8220;Immunity&#8221; will have no standing because of the banks&#8217; continued crimes.</p>
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		By: macy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[macy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2011 00:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://4closurefraud.org/2011/07/21/fraudclosure-states-negotiating-immunity-for-banks-over-foreclosure-fraud/#comment-42658&quot;&gt;Wide-awake&lt;/a&gt;.

Dear Wide Awake and others-  Here is a great forensic auditor.  He is savvy, nice and does an amazing and thorough job.
Best of luck.
Fight, Fight, Fight!!!!
http://bpinvestigativeagency.com/]]></description>
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<p>Dear Wide Awake and others-  Here is a great forensic auditor.  He is savvy, nice and does an amazing and thorough job.<br />
Best of luck.<br />
Fight, Fight, Fight!!!!<br />
<a href="http://bpinvestigativeagency.com/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://bpinvestigativeagency.com/</a></p>
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		By: lvent		</title>
		<link>https://4closurefraud.org/2011/07/21/fraudclosure-states-negotiating-immunity-for-banks-over-foreclosure-fraud/#comment-43034</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lvent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 17:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://4closurefraud.org/2011/07/21/fraudclosure-states-negotiating-immunity-for-banks-over-foreclosure-fraud/#comment-42690&quot;&gt;lvent&lt;/a&gt;.

MORE PROOF OF THE FOREIGN GLOBAL NEW WORLD ORDER CONSPIRACY TO OWN AND CONTROL THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND THAT  THEY ARE SNEAKS:  http://www.laleva.cc/economy/whocontrolsthefrs.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://4closurefraud.org/2011/07/21/fraudclosure-states-negotiating-immunity-for-banks-over-foreclosure-fraud/#comment-42690">lvent</a>.</p>
<p>MORE PROOF OF THE FOREIGN GLOBAL NEW WORLD ORDER CONSPIRACY TO OWN AND CONTROL THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND THAT  THEY ARE SNEAKS:  <a href="http://www.laleva.cc/economy/whocontrolsthefrs.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.laleva.cc/economy/whocontrolsthefrs.html</a></p>
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		By: Marilyn Abdilla		</title>
		<link>https://4closurefraud.org/2011/07/21/fraudclosure-states-negotiating-immunity-for-banks-over-foreclosure-fraud/#comment-42942</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marilyn Abdilla]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 13:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://4closurefraud.org/2011/07/21/fraudclosure-states-negotiating-immunity-for-banks-over-foreclosure-fraud/#comment-42563&quot;&gt;Bobbi Swann&lt;/a&gt;.

Sorry, the amendment was done in 1997 ( by queenie lady of Britain) on Social Secutiry...they control that too. But the British Guild has the secret oath for lawyers in America.  That is why anything to do with the lawyers not siding with the homeowners  tells everyone those lawyers are in the same racket  as the whole financial industry and all forms of government...top to bottom...Federal to State.  . From  the looks of things and the way the legal system has gone off the beaten track...it sounds like this secret oath is a form of a threat.  I may be wrong but the gut feeling say&#039;s I&#039;m not.  Notice the Bar does not go after the lawyers working for the banks and file fraud documents in the court....no one  see&#039;s any wrong doings....not the courts not the Bar....but for a lawyer to use free speech..now that calls for a horse whipping....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://4closurefraud.org/2011/07/21/fraudclosure-states-negotiating-immunity-for-banks-over-foreclosure-fraud/#comment-42563">Bobbi Swann</a>.</p>
<p>Sorry, the amendment was done in 1997 ( by queenie lady of Britain) on Social Secutiry&#8230;they control that too. But the British Guild has the secret oath for lawyers in America.  That is why anything to do with the lawyers not siding with the homeowners  tells everyone those lawyers are in the same racket  as the whole financial industry and all forms of government&#8230;top to bottom&#8230;Federal to State.  . From  the looks of things and the way the legal system has gone off the beaten track&#8230;it sounds like this secret oath is a form of a threat.  I may be wrong but the gut feeling say&#8217;s I&#8217;m not.  Notice the Bar does not go after the lawyers working for the banks and file fraud documents in the court&#8230;.no one  see&#8217;s any wrong doings&#8230;.not the courts not the Bar&#8230;.but for a lawyer to use free speech..now that calls for a horse whipping&#8230;.</p>
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		By: Teyyah		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 11:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d GLADLY contribute to any collective effort

Just wondering how AGs can waive private rights to defend property]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d GLADLY contribute to any collective effort</p>
<p>Just wondering how AGs can waive private rights to defend property</p>
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		By: Marilyn Abdilla		</title>
		<link>https://4closurefraud.org/2011/07/21/fraudclosure-states-negotiating-immunity-for-banks-over-foreclosure-fraud/#comment-42853</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marilyn Abdilla]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 09:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://4closurefraud.org/2011/07/21/fraudclosure-states-negotiating-immunity-for-banks-over-foreclosure-fraud/#comment-42563&quot;&gt;Bobbi Swann&lt;/a&gt;.

Not sure on this..but I read the American Bar Association is under a &#039; secret oath &#039; ...the British Guild.....not American...the queen did an admendment in 1997 according to what I read.  I can say I believe that ..as to why so many lawyers are on the &#039; other side &#039;.....and the good ones are being watched by the hawk eyes and ears....they can&#039;t go against this secret oath....or they chance to loose their law license.  I believe 2 lawyers in Florida are having some problems because they used freedom of speech.  And that is why the courts give no rights to the homeowner...just to the fraudulent papers summitted to court....with this said..it all makes sense....to the courts we are the slave and the enemy....under their secret oath which may be the same as the lawyers..  Sounds like a real deep cult  with no value of life but their own.....well..we can teach them the value of something other than the old mighty buck.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://4closurefraud.org/2011/07/21/fraudclosure-states-negotiating-immunity-for-banks-over-foreclosure-fraud/#comment-42563">Bobbi Swann</a>.</p>
<p>Not sure on this..but I read the American Bar Association is under a &#8216; secret oath &#8216; &#8230;the British Guild&#8230;..not American&#8230;the queen did an admendment in 1997 according to what I read.  I can say I believe that ..as to why so many lawyers are on the &#8216; other side &#8216;&#8230;..and the good ones are being watched by the hawk eyes and ears&#8230;.they can&#8217;t go against this secret oath&#8230;.or they chance to loose their law license.  I believe 2 lawyers in Florida are having some problems because they used freedom of speech.  And that is why the courts give no rights to the homeowner&#8230;just to the fraudulent papers summitted to court&#8230;.with this said..it all makes sense&#8230;.to the courts we are the slave and the enemy&#8230;.under their secret oath which may be the same as the lawyers..  Sounds like a real deep cult  with no value of life but their own&#8230;..well..we can teach them the value of something other than the old mighty buck.</p>
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		By: Marilyn Abdilla		</title>
		<link>https://4closurefraud.org/2011/07/21/fraudclosure-states-negotiating-immunity-for-banks-over-foreclosure-fraud/#comment-42819</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marilyn Abdilla]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 08:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://4closurefraud.org/2011/07/21/fraudclosure-states-negotiating-immunity-for-banks-over-foreclosure-fraud/#comment-42409&quot;&gt;WakeUpAmerica!&lt;/a&gt;.

The &#039; other &#039; people who may think you are nuts are in for a big shock if and when they find out what this secret society ..(.that is behind all this )...has  in store for them as well.  Every one who does not know needs to get some knowledge real soon...they are in for something they will not like.  Too many people have their nose stuck on the evening News which is also controlled by the society....lies upon lies...same with the newspapers...they are all controlled.....none of this is allowed to be told...just as the government and the state  governments, the courts, the Bar Assoc....the lawyers...are under their control...the Federal Reserve dollars are not backed up with anything...the paper money is just a piece of paper...coins are the only money...our National debt  is figures to the federal reserve..the fed. reserve owns the IRS...does that grab you and the British ( the queenie) has control of our social security...and all the fake wars were the idea of this groupie of sicko&#039;s so we would pay for the wars and borrow more money to keep this country in debt....keep in debt till they could take over the country. By the way...this debt will never be paid off...they have screwed the country...this government keeps borrowing from the fed reserve to pay the interest payment back to them when due...so the debt gets bigger and bigger. when in fact the fed reserve has no money invested..it&#039;s all AIR.  The Iraq war was for oil..they had nothing to do with 911...Afghanistan..minerals in the mountains..GOLD..and JP Morgan Chase is over there with their nose in the gold.....good luck to your friends..]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://4closurefraud.org/2011/07/21/fraudclosure-states-negotiating-immunity-for-banks-over-foreclosure-fraud/#comment-42409">WakeUpAmerica!</a>.</p>
<p>The &#8216; other &#8216; people who may think you are nuts are in for a big shock if and when they find out what this secret society ..(.that is behind all this )&#8230;has  in store for them as well.  Every one who does not know needs to get some knowledge real soon&#8230;they are in for something they will not like.  Too many people have their nose stuck on the evening News which is also controlled by the society&#8230;.lies upon lies&#8230;same with the newspapers&#8230;they are all controlled&#8230;..none of this is allowed to be told&#8230;just as the government and the state  governments, the courts, the Bar Assoc&#8230;.the lawyers&#8230;are under their control&#8230;the Federal Reserve dollars are not backed up with anything&#8230;the paper money is just a piece of paper&#8230;coins are the only money&#8230;our National debt  is figures to the federal reserve..the fed. reserve owns the IRS&#8230;does that grab you and the British ( the queenie) has control of our social security&#8230;and all the fake wars were the idea of this groupie of sicko&#8217;s so we would pay for the wars and borrow more money to keep this country in debt&#8230;.keep in debt till they could take over the country. By the way&#8230;this debt will never be paid off&#8230;they have screwed the country&#8230;this government keeps borrowing from the fed reserve to pay the interest payment back to them when due&#8230;so the debt gets bigger and bigger. when in fact the fed reserve has no money invested..it&#8217;s all AIR.  The Iraq war was for oil..they had nothing to do with 911&#8230;Afghanistan..minerals in the mountains..GOLD..and JP Morgan Chase is over there with their nose in the gold&#8230;..good luck to your friends..</p>
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		By: lvent		</title>
		<link>https://4closurefraud.org/2011/07/21/fraudclosure-states-negotiating-immunity-for-banks-over-foreclosure-fraud/#comment-42767</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lvent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 05:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://4closurefraud.org/2011/07/21/fraudclosure-states-negotiating-immunity-for-banks-over-foreclosure-fraud/#comment-42750&quot;&gt;Snowstorm&lt;/a&gt;.

I have a friend who was in foreclosure and he filed BK against the same &quot;lender&quot; that is trying to fraudclose on me..  The mortgage went bye bye and the &quot;lender&quot; PHH morgage admitted in court they did not have the note. I  think that means he won.  I think they can try again but what it does not look likely being their was a Government sting in my state against PHH mortgage and their Fannie Mae attorney network Fisher and Shapiro for admitting to filing fraudulent affadvits and removing signature pages from filings.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://4closurefraud.org/2011/07/21/fraudclosure-states-negotiating-immunity-for-banks-over-foreclosure-fraud/#comment-42750">Snowstorm</a>.</p>
<p>I have a friend who was in foreclosure and he filed BK against the same &#8220;lender&#8221; that is trying to fraudclose on me..  The mortgage went bye bye and the &#8220;lender&#8221; PHH morgage admitted in court they did not have the note. I  think that means he won.  I think they can try again but what it does not look likely being their was a Government sting in my state against PHH mortgage and their Fannie Mae attorney network Fisher and Shapiro for admitting to filing fraudulent affadvits and removing signature pages from filings.</p>
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		By: lvent		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lvent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 05:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://4closurefraud.org/2011/07/21/fraudclosure-states-negotiating-immunity-for-banks-over-foreclosure-fraud/#comment-42690&quot;&gt;lvent&lt;/a&gt;.

I started at the SEC Susan but I got nowhere so I went to the original &quot;lender&quot; website from my refi and typed in the the Trust no. they placed on the foreclosure lis pens at my recorders office at Grantor/Trust no. It booted me to HSBC at Bloomberg and found out  the &quot;loan&quot; is in a GLOBAL TRUST. This is high treason by the U.S. GOVERNMENT and I am furious.  I know they do not actually own my loan, they own the money flow but WTF? Who said they could do that? Did they ask our permission?  We were told the mortgage loan might be sold to another bank but they left out alot of details to that like the shitty loan pools they would be putting my UNSECURED DEBT into and that foreigners from around the world would be investing in these risky loan pools. What they did was ILLEGAL and UNCONSTITUTIONAL and I demand a full loan reccission or I will sue everyone and anyone until they drop dead.  I haven&#039;t had a lien secured to my deed in 19 years. They only get 12 years in Illinois to assign a debt the recorder&#039;s office told me and they told me because of that my home is paid for, I can live in it, sell it, or do whatever I want with it.  That does not even include all of the other fraud I found.  They can all F---off. I have the paid deed with title insurance attached conveyed to me at Origination with no lien properly assigned to it ever.. They have a cloudy title and they altered docs after the closing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://4closurefraud.org/2011/07/21/fraudclosure-states-negotiating-immunity-for-banks-over-foreclosure-fraud/#comment-42690">lvent</a>.</p>
<p>I started at the SEC Susan but I got nowhere so I went to the original &#8220;lender&#8221; website from my refi and typed in the the Trust no. they placed on the foreclosure lis pens at my recorders office at Grantor/Trust no. It booted me to HSBC at Bloomberg and found out  the &#8220;loan&#8221; is in a GLOBAL TRUST. This is high treason by the U.S. GOVERNMENT and I am furious.  I know they do not actually own my loan, they own the money flow but WTF? Who said they could do that? Did they ask our permission?  We were told the mortgage loan might be sold to another bank but they left out alot of details to that like the shitty loan pools they would be putting my UNSECURED DEBT into and that foreigners from around the world would be investing in these risky loan pools. What they did was ILLEGAL and UNCONSTITUTIONAL and I demand a full loan reccission or I will sue everyone and anyone until they drop dead.  I haven&#8217;t had a lien secured to my deed in 19 years. They only get 12 years in Illinois to assign a debt the recorder&#8217;s office told me and they told me because of that my home is paid for, I can live in it, sell it, or do whatever I want with it.  That does not even include all of the other fraud I found.  They can all F&#8212;off. I have the paid deed with title insurance attached conveyed to me at Origination with no lien properly assigned to it ever.. They have a cloudy title and they altered docs after the closing.</p>
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		By: Marilyn Abdilla		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marilyn Abdilla]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 05:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://4closurefraud.org/2011/07/21/fraudclosure-states-negotiating-immunity-for-banks-over-foreclosure-fraud/#comment-42575&quot;&gt;macy&lt;/a&gt;.

Macy....I believe the overall setup that the scumbag bankers thought ... would  leave them to take control of all the homes.....I don&#039;t think they thought that we would come to face them head on....one way or another...it is time they all eat crow...the whole corrupt bunch of them.  Protests held outside the courts will damper the court  preceedings.....same with the banks.  We will have to wait till we get word on going forward...to see about the affect on the existing cases.  In the mean time we can start spreading the word  that &#039; something &#039; is being planned...we have no choice but to stand up for our rights, our freedom, and for the country......there will be no immunity...that right there says they are guilty...otherwise there would be no need to even suggest that.  Just remember this is not over FLAWS...as they keep calling it....this is FRAUD done on everyone.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://4closurefraud.org/2011/07/21/fraudclosure-states-negotiating-immunity-for-banks-over-foreclosure-fraud/#comment-42575">macy</a>.</p>
<p>Macy&#8230;.I believe the overall setup that the scumbag bankers thought &#8230; would  leave them to take control of all the homes&#8230;..I don&#8217;t think they thought that we would come to face them head on&#8230;.one way or another&#8230;it is time they all eat crow&#8230;the whole corrupt bunch of them.  Protests held outside the courts will damper the court  preceedings&#8230;..same with the banks.  We will have to wait till we get word on going forward&#8230;to see about the affect on the existing cases.  In the mean time we can start spreading the word  that &#8216; something &#8216; is being planned&#8230;we have no choice but to stand up for our rights, our freedom, and for the country&#8230;&#8230;there will be no immunity&#8230;that right there says they are guilty&#8230;otherwise there would be no need to even suggest that.  Just remember this is not over FLAWS&#8230;as they keep calling it&#8230;.this is FRAUD done on everyone.</p>
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