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		By: AliceN.Wunderland		</title>
		<link>https://4closurefraud.org/2011/07/22/guest-post-from-anon-contributor-no-satisfactions-not-now-nor-ever/#comment-43554</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2011 21:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is what I am finding.  I have looked at dozens of satisfactions and reconveyances and they are almost all robo-signed/stamped.  This is fraud, invalidates the document and makes the loan valid again.  So all the refinances that were happening, some people doing it every year, well, all those prior loans are still outstanding.  That is how it  used to work in the old world.  We, however, live in the new world... Wonderland.  

Here in Wonderland nothing is real.  Not the loans, not the servicers, not the trusts, not the investors, in some cases not even the names of the people signing the unreal docs.  Everything is pretend here and we are also to pretend that all the unreal things we are seeing are real.  The only thing that is real is our home and the fact that we live in it.   This fact is entering into the consciousness of the people and that is why the everyone that has created this illusion is so concerned.  When the people realize nothing is real then they will stop making payments on unreal loans.  This is going to be a big problem the whole deck of cards and it is coming.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is what I am finding.  I have looked at dozens of satisfactions and reconveyances and they are almost all robo-signed/stamped.  This is fraud, invalidates the document and makes the loan valid again.  So all the refinances that were happening, some people doing it every year, well, all those prior loans are still outstanding.  That is how it  used to work in the old world.  We, however, live in the new world&#8230; Wonderland.  </p>
<p>Here in Wonderland nothing is real.  Not the loans, not the servicers, not the trusts, not the investors, in some cases not even the names of the people signing the unreal docs.  Everything is pretend here and we are also to pretend that all the unreal things we are seeing are real.  The only thing that is real is our home and the fact that we live in it.   This fact is entering into the consciousness of the people and that is why the everyone that has created this illusion is so concerned.  When the people realize nothing is real then they will stop making payments on unreal loans.  This is going to be a big problem the whole deck of cards and it is coming.</p>
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		By: lvent		</title>
		<link>https://4closurefraud.org/2011/07/22/guest-post-from-anon-contributor-no-satisfactions-not-now-nor-ever/#comment-43367</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2011 06:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://4closurefraud.org/2011/07/22/guest-post-from-anon-contributor-no-satisfactions-not-now-nor-ever/#comment-43157&quot;&gt;Hell No, No More Bail-OUTS&lt;/a&gt;.

They have 90 days but that still does not fix the fact that they sold unsecure notes and not mortgages. They bifurcated the note and the mortgage. They never recorded the proper assignment at origination to perfect their collateral lien.  Recording a mortgage assigned to nothing is not a secure lien.  Recording an assignment and a mortgage not attached to the deed is not a secure lien. They used improper assignments. In most cases no assignments were recorded at origination or an improper assignment.  Regardless, if the notes ever made it to the trusts they sold unsecure notes as secure notes and they were never secured to anything.  Even in a re-fi they could not fix the origination fraud.  Putting an unsecure note in a trust does not perfect the collateral lien.  I have proof.  My recorders office told me no &quot;lender&quot; ever assigned a lien in 19 years and the statute of limitations is 12 years.  Because of that my house is paid for, I can live in it, sell it. or do whatever I want with it.  I have the original stamped paid deed from right after origination with title insurance attached that says my title to that deed is clean, the pretender lenders title is cloudy..]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://4closurefraud.org/2011/07/22/guest-post-from-anon-contributor-no-satisfactions-not-now-nor-ever/#comment-43157">Hell No, No More Bail-OUTS</a>.</p>
<p>They have 90 days but that still does not fix the fact that they sold unsecure notes and not mortgages. They bifurcated the note and the mortgage. They never recorded the proper assignment at origination to perfect their collateral lien.  Recording a mortgage assigned to nothing is not a secure lien.  Recording an assignment and a mortgage not attached to the deed is not a secure lien. They used improper assignments. In most cases no assignments were recorded at origination or an improper assignment.  Regardless, if the notes ever made it to the trusts they sold unsecure notes as secure notes and they were never secured to anything.  Even in a re-fi they could not fix the origination fraud.  Putting an unsecure note in a trust does not perfect the collateral lien.  I have proof.  My recorders office told me no &#8220;lender&#8221; ever assigned a lien in 19 years and the statute of limitations is 12 years.  Because of that my house is paid for, I can live in it, sell it. or do whatever I want with it.  I have the original stamped paid deed from right after origination with title insurance attached that says my title to that deed is clean, the pretender lenders title is cloudy..</p>
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		By: lvent		</title>
		<link>https://4closurefraud.org/2011/07/22/guest-post-from-anon-contributor-no-satisfactions-not-now-nor-ever/#comment-43335</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2011 04:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://4closurefraud.org/2011/07/22/guest-post-from-anon-contributor-no-satisfactions-not-now-nor-ever/#comment-43157&quot;&gt;Hell No, No More Bail-OUTS&lt;/a&gt;.

10th of the many, Do you go to FH?  We could talk there. I am just your average citizen but if you think I could help you. Let me know.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://4closurefraud.org/2011/07/22/guest-post-from-anon-contributor-no-satisfactions-not-now-nor-ever/#comment-43157">Hell No, No More Bail-OUTS</a>.</p>
<p>10th of the many, Do you go to FH?  We could talk there. I am just your average citizen but if you think I could help you. Let me know.</p>
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		By: Fury		</title>
		<link>https://4closurefraud.org/2011/07/22/guest-post-from-anon-contributor-no-satisfactions-not-now-nor-ever/#comment-43288</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2011 02:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[“I would do anything to get it done today,” Dimon said July 14 about a settlement...


you would do anything, dimon?

how about paying your victims your ill-gotten gains. 
each defrauded homeowner would get what you made on their loan by selling it 50 times or more.

that goes for all of the banksters.

 that is the &quot;settlement: your crime victims want.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“I would do anything to get it done today,” Dimon said July 14 about a settlement&#8230;</p>
<p>you would do anything, dimon?</p>
<p>how about paying your victims your ill-gotten gains.<br />
each defrauded homeowner would get what you made on their loan by selling it 50 times or more.</p>
<p>that goes for all of the banksters.</p>
<p> that is the &#8220;settlement: your crime victims want.</p>
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		By: WOODKNOT		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 23:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[ahhhhh this brings to mind the old Rolling Stones song- I CANT GET NO SATISFACTION ! ! ! !]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ahhhhh this brings to mind the old Rolling Stones song- I CANT GET NO SATISFACTION ! ! ! !</p>
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		By: talktotennessee		</title>
		<link>https://4closurefraud.org/2011/07/22/guest-post-from-anon-contributor-no-satisfactions-not-now-nor-ever/#comment-43190</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 22:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Didn&#039;t the Fed just get audited with the report coming out yesterday via GAO? Didn&#039;t the GAO say that the trillion dollar emergency funds put out by the Fed were distributed by the same banks to bailout their own banks who screwed the system so badly? Conflict of interest written out of their contracts with the Fed. Talk about bargaining wih the Devil!

Do you ever get the feeling that you are walking through Jello and it just closes in behind you as you move forward? If you or I did the things the banks have done for graft and greed with the duplicity, fraud, deception and outright criminal acts of forgery, we would be in the slammer so fast it would make our head swim. But the general people just goes right on as if nothing happened, waiting for someone or something to pull them out or just plain ignore the status quo until the  banks can somehow buy off or cover enough of their - - - - to keep flying high.

We have the bold as brass GOP House, as we speak, trying to destroy the only Consumer Advocacy agency that has been set up to handle consumer complaints on the banking industry. What I fail to understand is the ignorance of a public that would hate Obama so badly that they shoot themselves in the foot and support a party that is blatantly working against their own interests and doing it so openly.  Forget Obama and protect your own interests, forget the Democrats and work for a third party that listens or has some integrity.  It makes you sick to think of the stupidity that would allow the banking industry to slam your rights, paying off Congress, to destroy one of the few good things for consumers that has come down the pike in a long time. Who did you complain to last when your credit card company suddenly raised your rate from 9 to 29 just because they wanted to. Thats right, no one because there is no one unless you want to count the OCC, an in-house rubber stamp if I ever saw one. What happened to Usury laws in this country? Maybe we have already lost any chance for recovery, you know.
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We will be undone by the Chinese or any country that values intelligence over what passes for education and knowledge in this country. We have quit reading or learning in favor of games, reality TV, following tv trials, texting and games on fb.  When you talk to people and ask them if they know about the banks and their fraud, they just look at you with that befuddled look and think, what are you some kind of radical?  Well, maybe I am. 
I think I could post something bout Casey Anthony and have 100 opinions on fb in minutes. 
Ask if people know anything about Congress, what they are or not doing and they have nothing to say. Most don&#039;t even know who their representatives are.
No patience with ignorance!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#8217;t the Fed just get audited with the report coming out yesterday via GAO? Didn&#8217;t the GAO say that the trillion dollar emergency funds put out by the Fed were distributed by the same banks to bailout their own banks who screwed the system so badly? Conflict of interest written out of their contracts with the Fed. Talk about bargaining wih the Devil!</p>
<p>Do you ever get the feeling that you are walking through Jello and it just closes in behind you as you move forward? If you or I did the things the banks have done for graft and greed with the duplicity, fraud, deception and outright criminal acts of forgery, we would be in the slammer so fast it would make our head swim. But the general people just goes right on as if nothing happened, waiting for someone or something to pull them out or just plain ignore the status quo until the  banks can somehow buy off or cover enough of their &#8211; &#8211; &#8211; &#8211; to keep flying high.</p>
<p>We have the bold as brass GOP House, as we speak, trying to destroy the only Consumer Advocacy agency that has been set up to handle consumer complaints on the banking industry. What I fail to understand is the ignorance of a public that would hate Obama so badly that they shoot themselves in the foot and support a party that is blatantly working against their own interests and doing it so openly.  Forget Obama and protect your own interests, forget the Democrats and work for a third party that listens or has some integrity.  It makes you sick to think of the stupidity that would allow the banking industry to slam your rights, paying off Congress, to destroy one of the few good things for consumers that has come down the pike in a long time. Who did you complain to last when your credit card company suddenly raised your rate from 9 to 29 just because they wanted to. Thats right, no one because there is no one unless you want to count the OCC, an in-house rubber stamp if I ever saw one. What happened to Usury laws in this country? Maybe we have already lost any chance for recovery, you know.<br />
.<br />
We will be undone by the Chinese or any country that values intelligence over what passes for education and knowledge in this country. We have quit reading or learning in favor of games, reality TV, following tv trials, texting and games on fb.  When you talk to people and ask them if they know about the banks and their fraud, they just look at you with that befuddled look and think, what are you some kind of radical?  Well, maybe I am.<br />
I think I could post something bout Casey Anthony and have 100 opinions on fb in minutes.<br />
Ask if people know anything about Congress, what they are or not doing and they have nothing to say. Most don&#8217;t even know who their representatives are.<br />
No patience with ignorance!</p>
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		By: 1ofthemany		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 22:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://4closurefraud.org/2011/07/22/guest-post-from-anon-contributor-no-satisfactions-not-now-nor-ever/#comment-43157&quot;&gt;Hell No, No More Bail-OUTS&lt;/a&gt;.

@ivent, would you care to talk to someone (me)who has been watching you for some time and I feel you are in the corner of the people in a big way. Would you consider speaking with me as you appear to very knowledge and I would love to have some input so I can, hopefully,  map a route for myself if possible?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://4closurefraud.org/2011/07/22/guest-post-from-anon-contributor-no-satisfactions-not-now-nor-ever/#comment-43157">Hell No, No More Bail-OUTS</a>.</p>
<p>@ivent, would you care to talk to someone (me)who has been watching you for some time and I feel you are in the corner of the people in a big way. Would you consider speaking with me as you appear to very knowledge and I would love to have some input so I can, hopefully,  map a route for myself if possible?</p>
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		By: lvent		</title>
		<link>https://4closurefraud.org/2011/07/22/guest-post-from-anon-contributor-no-satisfactions-not-now-nor-ever/#comment-43177</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lvent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 21:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://4closurefraud.org/2011/07/22/guest-post-from-anon-contributor-no-satisfactions-not-now-nor-ever/#comment-43159&quot;&gt;Ron Moss&lt;/a&gt;.

The American people have to fix this and stand together, indivisible.President Obama talked about this last fall in a speech to the troops. No man can go this alone.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://4closurefraud.org/2011/07/22/guest-post-from-anon-contributor-no-satisfactions-not-now-nor-ever/#comment-43159">Ron Moss</a>.</p>
<p>The American people have to fix this and stand together, indivisible.President Obama talked about this last fall in a speech to the troops. No man can go this alone.</p>
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		By: lvent		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lvent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 21:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://4closurefraud.org/2011/07/22/guest-post-from-anon-contributor-no-satisfactions-not-now-nor-ever/#comment-43157&quot;&gt;Hell No, No More Bail-OUTS&lt;/a&gt;.

NO PERFECTED COLLATERAL LIEN=UNSECURED DEBT. NO MATTER WHAT TRUST THEY SOLD THE MONEY FLOW (UNSECURED NOTES) TO.  THEY LOST TRACK OF OWNERSHIP OF THE LOANS AND THEY LOST THE NOTES. FOR A JUDGE TO SAY SOMEONE IS OWED THE MONEY IS NOT AN EXC-- USE OR A LAW.. THE LAW STATES THEY MUST SHOW PROOF, A CLEAN CHAIN OF TITLE OF THE LIEN HOLDER.  THEY CAN NOT. THE ORIGINATION FRAUD KILLED THE CONTRACT FOREVER. THEY SOLD UNSECURED NOTES AS SECURITY INSTRUMENTS WITHOUT THE LOAN. THAT IS ILLEGAL.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://4closurefraud.org/2011/07/22/guest-post-from-anon-contributor-no-satisfactions-not-now-nor-ever/#comment-43157">Hell No, No More Bail-OUTS</a>.</p>
<p>NO PERFECTED COLLATERAL LIEN=UNSECURED DEBT. NO MATTER WHAT TRUST THEY SOLD THE MONEY FLOW (UNSECURED NOTES) TO.  THEY LOST TRACK OF OWNERSHIP OF THE LOANS AND THEY LOST THE NOTES. FOR A JUDGE TO SAY SOMEONE IS OWED THE MONEY IS NOT AN EXC&#8211; USE OR A LAW.. THE LAW STATES THEY MUST SHOW PROOF, A CLEAN CHAIN OF TITLE OF THE LIEN HOLDER.  THEY CAN NOT. THE ORIGINATION FRAUD KILLED THE CONTRACT FOREVER. THEY SOLD UNSECURED NOTES AS SECURITY INSTRUMENTS WITHOUT THE LOAN. THAT IS ILLEGAL.</p>
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		By: lvent		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lvent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 21:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://4closurefraud.org/2011/07/22/guest-post-from-anon-contributor-no-satisfactions-not-now-nor-ever/#comment-43157&quot;&gt;Hell No, No More Bail-OUTS&lt;/a&gt;.

Her is some food for thought. My dad got a loan to consolidate some bills and the &quot;lender&quot; sent him a letter and told him they never recorded the lien and placed a lien on his house.  There IS an American side to this. He asked me what that meant and I told him if he could not afford to pay the bill , they could not take his home. It is an unsecured debt.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://4closurefraud.org/2011/07/22/guest-post-from-anon-contributor-no-satisfactions-not-now-nor-ever/#comment-43157">Hell No, No More Bail-OUTS</a>.</p>
<p>Her is some food for thought. My dad got a loan to consolidate some bills and the &#8220;lender&#8221; sent him a letter and told him they never recorded the lien and placed a lien on his house.  There IS an American side to this. He asked me what that meant and I told him if he could not afford to pay the bill , they could not take his home. It is an unsecured debt.</p>
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