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		By: marilyn lane		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[marilyn lane]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2011 23:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://4closurefraud.org/2011/10/12/toxic-titles-property-owners-need-protection-from-scammers-not-banks/#comment-128330&quot;&gt;lvent&lt;/a&gt;.

I vent

Hasn&#039;t Chicago Title been bought by Fidelity National Title?  I think so.(  I had Chicago Title )

If you up against Fidelity National Title your up against the biggest fraudsters.
 The truth becomes lies with them and their lies  become the &quot; Truth.?&quot;

I wrote to Wm P Foley CEO of Fidelity &quot;why does your NY attorney Frank P Malone find himself fighting for a forged deed?&quot;

And Fidelity&#039;s answer to me was &quot;it is proper...&quot;


Fidelity and its Lenders Processing Service and Docx are at the heart of all the fraudulent documents and fraudclosures.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://4closurefraud.org/2011/10/12/toxic-titles-property-owners-need-protection-from-scammers-not-banks/#comment-128330">lvent</a>.</p>
<p>I vent</p>
<p>Hasn&#8217;t Chicago Title been bought by Fidelity National Title?  I think so.(  I had Chicago Title )</p>
<p>If you up against Fidelity National Title your up against the biggest fraudsters.<br />
 The truth becomes lies with them and their lies  become the &#8221; Truth.?&#8221;</p>
<p>I wrote to Wm P Foley CEO of Fidelity &#8220;why does your NY attorney Frank P Malone find himself fighting for a forged deed?&#8221;</p>
<p>And Fidelity&#8217;s answer to me was &#8220;it is proper&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Fidelity and its Lenders Processing Service and Docx are at the heart of all the fraudulent documents and fraudclosures.</p>
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		By: marilyn lane		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2011 23:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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Forgery is an interesting charge in Illinois. Most people think one has to create a document that purports to be something it is not. There are many things beyond that: Sec. 17‑3. Forgery. 
(a) A person commits forgery when, with intent to defraud, he knowingly: 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://4closurefraud.org/2011/10/12/toxic-titles-property-owners-need-protection-from-scammers-not-banks/#comment-128330">lvent</a>.</p>
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<p>Forgery is an interesting charge in Illinois. Most people think one has to create a document that purports to be something it is not. There are many things beyond that: Sec. 17‑3. Forgery.<br />
(a) A person commits forgery when, with intent to defraud, he knowingly:<br />
(1) makes or alters any document apparently capable </p>
<p>of defrauding another in such manner that it purports to have been made by another or at another time, or with different provisions, or by authority of one who did not give such authority; or<br />
(2) issues or delivers such document knowing it to </p>
<p>have been thus made or altered; or<br />
(3) possesses, with intent to issue or deliver, any </p>
<p>such document knowing it to have been thus made or altered; or<br />
(4) unlawfully uses the digital signature, as </p>
<p>defined in the Financial Institutions Electronic Documents and Digital Signature Act, of another; or<br />
(5) unlawfully uses the signature device of another </p>
<p>It is a Class 3 Felony with a possible penalty of up to 5 years in prison. Please see related links below</p>
<p>Read more: <a href="http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_Illinois_criminal_law_for_forgery#ixzz1ahxO6CWS" rel="nofollow ugc">http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_Illinois_criminal_law_for_forgery#ixzz1ahxO6CWS</a></p>
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		By: Marilyn Abdilla		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2011 23:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://4closurefraud.org/2011/10/12/toxic-titles-property-owners-need-protection-from-scammers-not-banks/#comment-128330&quot;&gt;lvent&lt;/a&gt;.

I vent...Maybe she married and changed last name.....just an idea......]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://4closurefraud.org/2011/10/12/toxic-titles-property-owners-need-protection-from-scammers-not-banks/#comment-128330">lvent</a>.</p>
<p>I vent&#8230;Maybe she married and changed last name&#8230;..just an idea&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		By: Marilyn Abdilla		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marilyn Abdilla]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2011 23:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://4closurefraud.org/2011/10/12/toxic-titles-property-owners-need-protection-from-scammers-not-banks/#comment-128330&quot;&gt;lvent&lt;/a&gt;.

I vent...In your complaint you plan to file...list  any laws you find pretaining to what your complaint is for....that may be a good backup....and it may prove fraud...again I am stabbing in the dark...  I would subpoena the title co.....for complete set of closing documents....and maybe ask if that person is still employed at that title co....did  you get a title insurance policy from that title co ?  I would have your husband call and ask to speak to her.....and see what is said....it seems the title co would be responsible for what an employee did while employeed there...if she is gone. Just keep digging and making notes on this....you paid this title co...to close..so it seems they would have to  back up the complaints......what a mess...........]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://4closurefraud.org/2011/10/12/toxic-titles-property-owners-need-protection-from-scammers-not-banks/#comment-128330">lvent</a>.</p>
<p>I vent&#8230;In your complaint you plan to file&#8230;list  any laws you find pretaining to what your complaint is for&#8230;.that may be a good backup&#8230;.and it may prove fraud&#8230;again I am stabbing in the dark&#8230;  I would subpoena the title co&#8230;..for complete set of closing documents&#8230;.and maybe ask if that person is still employed at that title co&#8230;.did  you get a title insurance policy from that title co ?  I would have your husband call and ask to speak to her&#8230;..and see what is said&#8230;.it seems the title co would be responsible for what an employee did while employeed there&#8230;if she is gone. Just keep digging and making notes on this&#8230;.you paid this title co&#8230;to close..so it seems they would have to  back up the complaints&#8230;&#8230;what a mess&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		By: marilyn lane		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2011 23:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Fury - Where are you?

Do you know the name of the NYC registrar of Deeds?

Thanks if you can help me or lead me to someone who would know and would tell.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fury &#8211; Where are you?</p>
<p>Do you know the name of the NYC registrar of Deeds?</p>
<p>Thanks if you can help me or lead me to someone who would know and would tell.</p>
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		By: lvent		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2011 22:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://4closurefraud.org/2011/10/12/toxic-titles-property-owners-need-protection-from-scammers-not-banks/#comment-126782&quot;&gt;Marilyn Abdilla&lt;/a&gt;.

Sounds like a felony Marilyn.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://4closurefraud.org/2011/10/12/toxic-titles-property-owners-need-protection-from-scammers-not-banks/#comment-126782">Marilyn Abdilla</a>.</p>
<p>Sounds like a felony Marilyn.</p>
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		By: lvent		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lvent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2011 22:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://4closurefraud.org/2011/10/12/toxic-titles-property-owners-need-protection-from-scammers-not-banks/#comment-128330&quot;&gt;lvent&lt;/a&gt;.

BTW, Marilyn, I have been doing some homework and I believe I have to file a counter complaint in order for the Judge to look at the altered documents which is considered Forgery in the State of Illinois.............Under Illinois Law, (720 ILCS 5/17-3)  Forgery is considered a class 3 felony punishable by 3-7 years in prison..]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://4closurefraud.org/2011/10/12/toxic-titles-property-owners-need-protection-from-scammers-not-banks/#comment-128330">lvent</a>.</p>
<p>BTW, Marilyn, I have been doing some homework and I believe I have to file a counter complaint in order for the Judge to look at the altered documents which is considered Forgery in the State of Illinois&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.Under Illinois Law, (720 ILCS 5/17-3)  Forgery is considered a class 3 felony punishable by 3-7 years in prison..</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2011 22:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://4closurefraud.org/2011/10/12/toxic-titles-property-owners-need-protection-from-scammers-not-banks/#comment-128194&quot;&gt;Marilyn Abdilla&lt;/a&gt;.

Marilyn, according to the American Association of Notaries, Prohibited acts:  A notary may not::
Acknowledge any instrument  in which the notary&#039;s name appears as a party to the transaction.  
Change anything in a written instrument after it has been signed by anyone.
Use facsimile signature stamps in signing his or her official certificates,
Criminal violations:
Notaries public who commit official misconduct may be subject to criminal liability which may include the revocation of their notary public commission..
I sent Chicago Title and Trust and e-mail asking them where I could reach her.No response as of yet.....She has had her name all over my docs since the day we closed....
Someone altered docs after the signing and I want to know who it was.... She states in my original closing docs that she is an escrowee for Chicago Title and Trust at the Origination...in the HUD 1 settlement statement. I believe the escrowee reviews the closing docs...She was not at the closing yet I have her &quot;stamp&quot; on the notary page, attached to the mortgage and on the signature affadavit that we never signed...I have the copy in blank....I would like to have an affadavit dropped on her... 
In my refi she says she is a notary for the bank....She can&#039;t legally be both...I can&#039;t seem to find her on the internet, at all....hmmmmm...the plot thickens......Somebodies lying....BIG TIME....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://4closurefraud.org/2011/10/12/toxic-titles-property-owners-need-protection-from-scammers-not-banks/#comment-128194">Marilyn Abdilla</a>.</p>
<p>Marilyn, according to the American Association of Notaries, Prohibited acts:  A notary may not::<br />
Acknowledge any instrument  in which the notary&#8217;s name appears as a party to the transaction.<br />
Change anything in a written instrument after it has been signed by anyone.<br />
Use facsimile signature stamps in signing his or her official certificates,<br />
Criminal violations:<br />
Notaries public who commit official misconduct may be subject to criminal liability which may include the revocation of their notary public commission..<br />
I sent Chicago Title and Trust and e-mail asking them where I could reach her.No response as of yet&#8230;..She has had her name all over my docs since the day we closed&#8230;.<br />
Someone altered docs after the signing and I want to know who it was&#8230;. She states in my original closing docs that she is an escrowee for Chicago Title and Trust at the Origination&#8230;in the HUD 1 settlement statement. I believe the escrowee reviews the closing docs&#8230;She was not at the closing yet I have her &#8220;stamp&#8221; on the notary page, attached to the mortgage and on the signature affadavit that we never signed&#8230;I have the copy in blank&#8230;.I would like to have an affadavit dropped on her&#8230;<br />
In my refi she says she is a notary for the bank&#8230;.She can&#8217;t legally be both&#8230;I can&#8217;t seem to find her on the internet, at all&#8230;.hmmmmm&#8230;the plot thickens&#8230;&#8230;Somebodies lying&#8230;.BIG TIME&#8230;.</p>
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		By: Marilyn Abdilla		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marilyn Abdilla]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2011 21:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://4closurefraud.org/2011/10/12/toxic-titles-property-owners-need-protection-from-scammers-not-banks/#comment-128193&quot;&gt;marilyn lane&lt;/a&gt;.

Marilyn L....FURY may be able to help on the name of  Registrar of Deeds....she lives in New York....]]></description>
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<p>Marilyn L&#8230;.FURY may be able to help on the name of  Registrar of Deeds&#8230;.she lives in New York&#8230;.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2011 21:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I vent..I may be wrong on this....so don&#039;t hold me to it...but in your comment you listed where the same person was a notary for a bank, the State, closer, escrowee, etc...Yes, you see fraud...but you have to prove the fraud.....that  may be hard to prove...like can a notary sign for a bank and for  the State...if it is allowed in that state...this I don&#039;t have a clue...a closer at title co. may be the escrowee that see&#039;s the money disbursed to proper people.....again I don&#039;t know what the practice is...so to be called fraud  you have to prove it is fraud....not what you have in your hand proves it......all fraud has to be proven to the court.... not just shown on the documents....that is what I understand...and that is why you have been told by others fraud is very hard to prove..... that may be why judges tell people to get an attorney....they may be claiming fraud but not proving it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I vent..I may be wrong on this&#8230;.so don&#8217;t hold me to it&#8230;but in your comment you listed where the same person was a notary for a bank, the State, closer, escrowee, etc&#8230;Yes, you see fraud&#8230;but you have to prove the fraud&#8230;..that  may be hard to prove&#8230;like can a notary sign for a bank and for  the State&#8230;if it is allowed in that state&#8230;this I don&#8217;t have a clue&#8230;a closer at title co. may be the escrowee that see&#8217;s the money disbursed to proper people&#8230;..again I don&#8217;t know what the practice is&#8230;so to be called fraud  you have to prove it is fraud&#8230;.not what you have in your hand proves it&#8230;&#8230;all fraud has to be proven to the court&#8230;. not just shown on the documents&#8230;.that is what I understand&#8230;and that is why you have been told by others fraud is very hard to prove&#8230;.. that may be why judges tell people to get an attorney&#8230;.they may be claiming fraud but not proving it.</p>
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