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	Comments on: FL 5th DCA Fraudclosure Reversed &#124; JOSECITE vs WACHOVIA MORTGAGE CORPORATION &#8211; Process Server Failed to Include Date, Time of Service, Identification Number, or Initials on Any of the Documents Served	</title>
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		By: G-man		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s crap like this that clutters up and backlogs the system:(

Instead of attacking the issue and addressing the problems with the complaint, attacking server and service seems to be the new wave of legal wrangling these days.

While I agree that the &quot;rule of law&quot; is the &quot;rule of law&quot;, it is an antiquated rule, much like not hitching your horse to a street sign and other such nonsense that still appear in many of our statute books, yet are no longer applicable in todays society.

This is a matter which, IMHO, really needs to be seriously addressed by a higher court, and amended if possible to reflect our current technology.

The date, server initials, and when applicable, ID number (not all states/locales issue them) should be more than sufficient on the face of a document. For that matter, the date alone should be sufficient. 
In reality, isn&#039;t it simply there to begin with, to provide the defendant and his/her cousel, with a reference point for determining a response and default date?
The affidavit should have the rest of the information necessary for the court.

I recently had an attorney attempt to quash service based on the server not placing an ID number on the document.
Had the attorney spent a little time researching the matter, he would have realized that this particular jurisdiction, does not have a certification process, that ID numbers are not issued, and that the servers are authorized by state statute to serve process. It&#039;s the company that has a &quot;license&quot;, not the individual server! 
So much for his motion to quash (LOL). 

If you really want to abide by the &quot;rule of law&quot;, then most of the returns of service that are filed with the 
courts on behalf of the attorney/clients, should probably be ruled invalid.

Statute 48.301(5):
&quot;The person issuing the process shall file the return-of-service form with the court.”

Depending on how the court interprets &quot;issuing&quot;, the physical act of filing the return of service with the court could invalidate the service, if not done by the same person who had the document issued (filed), wouldn&#039;t you agree? 

If the law firm has the process issued (filed), then it would be, under a strict rule of law, their responsibility to return the affidavit or return of service to the court, correct?
Yet as servers and agencies, we do this routinely as a courtesy to our clients.

And if the service companyfiles (issues) the document for the client,  then again under a strict rule of law, shouldn&#039;t the same person that filed the document, return the affidavit or return of service to the court?

Do you now understand how useless that &quot;rule of law&quot; can be, and how it can be distorted?

BTW-The opinion you posted, if I&#039;m reading it correctly, addresses the sale of the property after a forebearance agreement, not the process servers failure to properly notate a document.
Did I miss something?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s crap like this that clutters up and backlogs the system:(</p>
<p>Instead of attacking the issue and addressing the problems with the complaint, attacking server and service seems to be the new wave of legal wrangling these days.</p>
<p>While I agree that the &#8220;rule of law&#8221; is the &#8220;rule of law&#8221;, it is an antiquated rule, much like not hitching your horse to a street sign and other such nonsense that still appear in many of our statute books, yet are no longer applicable in todays society.</p>
<p>This is a matter which, IMHO, really needs to be seriously addressed by a higher court, and amended if possible to reflect our current technology.</p>
<p>The date, server initials, and when applicable, ID number (not all states/locales issue them) should be more than sufficient on the face of a document. For that matter, the date alone should be sufficient.<br />
In reality, isn&#8217;t it simply there to begin with, to provide the defendant and his/her cousel, with a reference point for determining a response and default date?<br />
The affidavit should have the rest of the information necessary for the court.</p>
<p>I recently had an attorney attempt to quash service based on the server not placing an ID number on the document.<br />
Had the attorney spent a little time researching the matter, he would have realized that this particular jurisdiction, does not have a certification process, that ID numbers are not issued, and that the servers are authorized by state statute to serve process. It&#8217;s the company that has a &#8220;license&#8221;, not the individual server!<br />
So much for his motion to quash (LOL). </p>
<p>If you really want to abide by the &#8220;rule of law&#8221;, then most of the returns of service that are filed with the<br />
courts on behalf of the attorney/clients, should probably be ruled invalid.</p>
<p>Statute 48.301(5):<br />
&#8220;The person issuing the process shall file the return-of-service form with the court.”</p>
<p>Depending on how the court interprets &#8220;issuing&#8221;, the physical act of filing the return of service with the court could invalidate the service, if not done by the same person who had the document issued (filed), wouldn&#8217;t you agree? </p>
<p>If the law firm has the process issued (filed), then it would be, under a strict rule of law, their responsibility to return the affidavit or return of service to the court, correct?<br />
Yet as servers and agencies, we do this routinely as a courtesy to our clients.</p>
<p>And if the service companyfiles (issues) the document for the client,  then again under a strict rule of law, shouldn&#8217;t the same person that filed the document, return the affidavit or return of service to the court?</p>
<p>Do you now understand how useless that &#8220;rule of law&#8221; can be, and how it can be distorted?</p>
<p>BTW-The opinion you posted, if I&#8217;m reading it correctly, addresses the sale of the property after a forebearance agreement, not the process servers failure to properly notate a document.<br />
Did I miss something?</p>
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		By: stripes		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Glad to see the rule of law upheld over what the bank  would consider a &quot;technicality.&quot; The rule of law is the rule of law and it applies to everyone.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad to see the rule of law upheld over what the bank  would consider a &#8220;technicality.&#8221; The rule of law is the rule of law and it applies to everyone.</p>
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