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		By: Ian Sopko		</title>
		<link>https://4closurefraud.org/2016/06/07/unsealed-doj-confirms-holders-of-securitized-loans-cannot-be-traced/#comment-696798</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ian Sopko]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2016 13:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://4closurefraud.org/2016/06/07/unsealed-doj-confirms-holders-of-securitized-loans-cannot-be-traced/#comment-658725&quot;&gt;mike Drouin&lt;/a&gt;.

Mike-
Just saw these june 16 posts on 4closurefraud. Yours was a pretty succinct explanation of the securities contract v the mortgage contract issue which has been idling in the background of this whole mess for years- 
So you have any case law, complaints, legal papers discussions etc
To go
Along w this train of thought?
Thanks, Ian Sopko]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://4closurefraud.org/2016/06/07/unsealed-doj-confirms-holders-of-securitized-loans-cannot-be-traced/#comment-658725">mike Drouin</a>.</p>
<p>Mike-<br />
Just saw these june 16 posts on 4closurefraud. Yours was a pretty succinct explanation of the securities contract v the mortgage contract issue which has been idling in the background of this whole mess for years-<br />
So you have any case law, complaints, legal papers discussions etc<br />
To go<br />
Along w this train of thought?<br />
Thanks, Ian Sopko</p>
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		By: Sam		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2016 07:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://4closurefraud.org/2016/06/07/unsealed-doj-confirms-holders-of-securitized-loans-cannot-be-traced/#comment-659043&quot;&gt;4closureFraud&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you for creating this website!
I have been dealing with one of Fannie Mae&#039;s &quot;servicers&quot; since 2014. I have been dealing with them myself, in propria persona, sui juris. I didn&#039;t answer their complaint. I filed a motion to dismiss. They responded with their own motion and then I filed a second motion. My contention is if one answers the complaint and admits that there was/is a contract the game is over and they win. I filed motion following NJ Court rules demanding that they follow NJ Court Rules and provide me and the court with a certified copy of the original Note and Mortgage contract or the original. They have yet to produce either one for obvious reasons, they can&#039;t because they don&#039;t have them. They also failed to follow NJ Court rules in their complaint because they failed to mention why Bank of America was named as a defendant as well as me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://4closurefraud.org/2016/06/07/unsealed-doj-confirms-holders-of-securitized-loans-cannot-be-traced/#comment-659043">4closureFraud</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you for creating this website!<br />
I have been dealing with one of Fannie Mae&#8217;s &#8220;servicers&#8221; since 2014. I have been dealing with them myself, in propria persona, sui juris. I didn&#8217;t answer their complaint. I filed a motion to dismiss. They responded with their own motion and then I filed a second motion. My contention is if one answers the complaint and admits that there was/is a contract the game is over and they win. I filed motion following NJ Court rules demanding that they follow NJ Court Rules and provide me and the court with a certified copy of the original Note and Mortgage contract or the original. They have yet to produce either one for obvious reasons, they can&#8217;t because they don&#8217;t have them. They also failed to follow NJ Court rules in their complaint because they failed to mention why Bank of America was named as a defendant as well as me.</p>
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		By: Sam		</title>
		<link>https://4closurefraud.org/2016/06/07/unsealed-doj-confirms-holders-of-securitized-loans-cannot-be-traced/#comment-684607</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2016 07:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://4closurefraud.org/2016/06/07/unsealed-doj-confirms-holders-of-securitized-loans-cannot-be-traced/#comment-662869&quot;&gt;Kent&lt;/a&gt;.

Kent, I am curious as to what you received from Chase. Not sure what this means,

&quot; I just received a letter from them dea celebrating my loan.&quot;

Thanks for the clarification.

Sam]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://4closurefraud.org/2016/06/07/unsealed-doj-confirms-holders-of-securitized-loans-cannot-be-traced/#comment-662869">Kent</a>.</p>
<p>Kent, I am curious as to what you received from Chase. Not sure what this means,</p>
<p>&#8221; I just received a letter from them dea celebrating my loan.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thanks for the clarification.</p>
<p>Sam</p>
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		By: Lori		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lori]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2016 20:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you for your fantastic blog.

LLCs are picking up on the foreclosure business now - lending, foreclosing, selling and buying.
60 Minutes ran a story not long ago about foreigners using such corporations to launder money, 
through unethical lawyers.
I wonder how heavy the LLC operations are.
NY DoS doesn&#039;t know who the members are when they approve an LLC incorporation.
And IRS requests that if there is a Nominee of an unidentified entity, they should update info on their EINs.  LoL!
Helping a friend who doesn&#039;t have a lawyer and have found a corrupt judge, and fraud and forgery.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your fantastic blog.</p>
<p>LLCs are picking up on the foreclosure business now &#8211; lending, foreclosing, selling and buying.<br />
60 Minutes ran a story not long ago about foreigners using such corporations to launder money,<br />
through unethical lawyers.<br />
I wonder how heavy the LLC operations are.<br />
NY DoS doesn&#8217;t know who the members are when they approve an LLC incorporation.<br />
And IRS requests that if there is a Nominee of an unidentified entity, they should update info on their EINs.  LoL!<br />
Helping a friend who doesn&#8217;t have a lawyer and have found a corrupt judge, and fraud and forgery.</p>
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		By: Kent		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2016 13:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Not surprised after battling Chase for 7 years I just received a letter from them dea celebrating my loan]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not surprised after battling Chase for 7 years I just received a letter from them dea celebrating my loan</p>
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		By: lvent		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lvent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2016 21:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[ILLINOIS 1.) FALSE PRETENSES:  In ILLINOIS, whoever by any false representation or writing signed by false representation or writing signed by him of his own respectability, wealth or mercantile correspondence or connections, obtain; credit and thereby defrauds any person of money, goods, chattels or any valuable thing, or who procures another to make a false report of his honesty, wealth &#038; chattel, shall return the money, goods &#038; chattel &#038; be fined &#038; imprisoned for term not exceeding one year.

2.)  Obtaining money or property by bogus cheques, the confidence game, or three card monte, sleight of hand, fortune-telling is punishable by imprisonment from one to ten years; obtaining goods from a warehouse, mill or wharf by FRAUDULENT RECEIPT wrongfully stating amount of goods deposited is punishable by imprisonment for not less than one &#038; not more than 10 years.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ILLINOIS 1.) FALSE PRETENSES:  In ILLINOIS, whoever by any false representation or writing signed by false representation or writing signed by him of his own respectability, wealth or mercantile correspondence or connections, obtain; credit and thereby defrauds any person of money, goods, chattels or any valuable thing, or who procures another to make a false report of his honesty, wealth &amp; chattel, shall return the money, goods &amp; chattel &amp; be fined &amp; imprisoned for term not exceeding one year.</p>
<p>2.)  Obtaining money or property by bogus cheques, the confidence game, or three card monte, sleight of hand, fortune-telling is punishable by imprisonment from one to ten years; obtaining goods from a warehouse, mill or wharf by FRAUDULENT RECEIPT wrongfully stating amount of goods deposited is punishable by imprisonment for not less than one &amp; not more than 10 years.</p>
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		By: lvent		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lvent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2016 18:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://4closurefraud.org/2016/06/07/unsealed-doj-confirms-holders-of-securitized-loans-cannot-be-traced/#comment-659043&quot;&gt;4closureFraud&lt;/a&gt;.

Nothing that is redacted should be considered legal evidence of nothing but destruction of evidence, uttering, fraud &#038; forgery under FALSE PRETENSES.

When mistakes on the face get made they must be corrected by re-entering the original with the proper correction made on the face of the original.

They would have to have the original to do that legally &#038; no copies would suffice because they&#039;re copying counterfeits by entering copies without entering the literal evidence itself.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://4closurefraud.org/2016/06/07/unsealed-doj-confirms-holders-of-securitized-loans-cannot-be-traced/#comment-659043">4closureFraud</a>.</p>
<p>Nothing that is redacted should be considered legal evidence of nothing but destruction of evidence, uttering, fraud &amp; forgery under FALSE PRETENSES.</p>
<p>When mistakes on the face get made they must be corrected by re-entering the original with the proper correction made on the face of the original.</p>
<p>They would have to have the original to do that legally &amp; no copies would suffice because they&#8217;re copying counterfeits by entering copies without entering the literal evidence itself.</p>
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		By: lvent		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lvent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2016 04:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Then there&#039;s the matter of if their CPA is credentialed or not which in ILLINOIS is legally required.

The AFFIANT who is swearing they&#039;re qualified to examine the purported loan file &#038; have transacted business on behalf of the AFORESAID from the onset must be legally qualified to do so under the PROVISION OF THE ACT, (735 ILCS 5/13-214.2).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then there&#8217;s the matter of if their CPA is credentialed or not which in ILLINOIS is legally required.</p>
<p>The AFFIANT who is swearing they&#8217;re qualified to examine the purported loan file &amp; have transacted business on behalf of the AFORESAID from the onset must be legally qualified to do so under the PROVISION OF THE ACT, (735 ILCS 5/13-214.2).</p>
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		By: lvent		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lvent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2016 04:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://4closurefraud.org/2016/06/07/unsealed-doj-confirms-holders-of-securitized-loans-cannot-be-traced/#comment-659043&quot;&gt;4closureFraud&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks! I&#039;ve been really busy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://4closurefraud.org/2016/06/07/unsealed-doj-confirms-holders-of-securitized-loans-cannot-be-traced/#comment-659043">4closureFraud</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks! I&#8217;ve been really busy.</p>
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		By: lvent		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lvent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2016 04:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Or request their BEREP registration because without that there can be no E-DISCOVERY &#038; they would have to withdraw.

Though I don&#039;t believe electronic discovery is legal because the original written receipt is the only valid legal proof money changed hands, some judges let them enter their wallpaper to hide the ORIGINATION FRAUD.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or request their BEREP registration because without that there can be no E-DISCOVERY &amp; they would have to withdraw.</p>
<p>Though I don&#8217;t believe electronic discovery is legal because the original written receipt is the only valid legal proof money changed hands, some judges let them enter their wallpaper to hide the ORIGINATION FRAUD.</p>
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