In response to Ms Downs email RE Lee County Petition Concerns (below)
Ms. Downs,
Have you observed in Lee County rocket docket? I urge you to go, observe, sit in the galley and imagine it being any other category of litigation, divorce, traffic, criminal, child custody, etc. While many are biased against any and all defendants in Florida foreclosure cases, believe it or not, most of the defendants have legitimate legal defenses due to improper mortgage securitization leading to improper transfer of real property in contravention of state laws and federal securities laws. There are violations of constitutional property rights along with violations of due process rights as these cases are rocket docketed into a process that favors speed and docket clearing in favor of the more powerful litigant who, often along with their counsel, has been proven to fabricate it’s own evidence to prove it’s case. Speed and case dispensation in favor of opaque, ill-defined foreclosing plaintiffs is valued above all else; above justice, above due process, above property rights, above respect for authentic land records, above the rules of procedure, above rules of evidence, above federal securities laws, above full disclosure to investors – our cities, states, pensions, 401(k)s.
Ms. Downs, I urge you to do your own investigation into Florida’s foreclosure process, examine public land records and foreclosure files before you come out in support of a system that is allowing large scale unfettered continuance of fraud upon the court, fraud upon our land records, and fraud upon our nation’s citizens (mortgagors & investors). What we are witnessing is a great regulatory, legislative, and judicial failure.
Ms. Downs, are you truly defending these practices and the judges who implement them in tens of thousands of cases? Did you read the emails between judges discussing setting up ex-parte meetings with plaintiff’s “local counsel”? Or the one stating the plaintiff’s counsel is getting “burned out” and how the court can brainstorm for ways to help alleviate local counsel for plaintiffs’ burden (pg 141)?
To a non-lawyer, it is clear that circuit court judges have colluded to deprive a class of litigants and their attorneys of the recognized and established judicial due process. The outcome of a certain category of court cases is predetermined in a judicial system where laws, rules of procedure, lawyers, and thinking, reasoning judges are superfluous. Procedures are in place to assure the defendant and/or his counsel loses even when the plaintiff’s representative does not appear for a hearing and the judge simply picks out any live, breathing plaintiff’s attorney in the galley to cover the case.
This is judicial bias to the extreme. In Florida’s foreclosure rocket dockets, the bigotry is aimed at mortgagors accused of being in default to a alleged lawful creditor, but at other times in our nation’s history, the same could be said of judicial treatment of blacks or women.
For example, here is an excerpt from Rape and the American Judicial System.
The justice system of the colonial times refrained from punishing white males but did not waver from finding fault with the actions of females, causing women to hesitate at reporting rape against white men. Two famous cases in history, those of Martha Richardson and Goodwife Fancy, exemplify this notion. Martha Richardson had gotten pregnant before her wedding with a man other than her fiancé. Upon this surprise, Martha recalled fainting at her master’s house some time ago in the presence of two white males and concluded that one of them must have raped her. However, the court ruled that Martha’s story could not be true, for “a woman who was raped- who had no delight in the act- could not conceive. Martha Richardson had conceived and borne a child, and thus she deserved to be ‘publiquely and severely corrected’ as a fornicator” (Dayton, 241). This verdict goes to show that the justice system favored protecting the reputation of white males over females, for this decision was an attempt to find the most logical reasoning as to why white males were innocent and females guilty. They did not search for the truth, but instead for ways to prove the innocence of white males. The second case was that of Goodwife Fancy, a servant who claimed to have gotten raped by a number of white men, but whose husband had advised her to not speak of it to anyone. When the case finally went to court after two years, the verdict concluded that [2] The Fancys- she for concealing her tribulations as he…[for] ‘neglecting the timely revealing of’ the attacks- were both ordered to be severely whipped” (Dayton 235). This case, again, goes to show that the courts did not look for the truth in the cases, but instead looked for technicalities by which they could get the accused white male off. The courts in the colonial times were not upholding justice; their intent was just to look out for the reputation of white males accused of rape.
Facts, truth, and justice be damned.
At one time the courts ruled that a raped woman must be a promiscuous fornicator. At one time the courts ruled that an accused black person must be guilty.
In these times, regardless of the nebulous foreclosing entity’s identity, legal right to foreclose, history of malfeasance, damages inflicted upon millions of families, and widespread fabrication of evidence; the courts rule (after rushing through alternative procedures) that any accused mortgagor must be a deadbeat who deserves to be dispossessed in the quickest, most expedient manner.
In closing, thank you for sharing your views with us Ms. Downs. This discourse continues to be extremely thought provoking and educational.
Sincerely,
Lisa Epstein
ForeclosureHamlet.org
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Email from Mayanne Downs RE Lee County Petition Concerns
To the members of this list serve, or recipients of the below email:
I write as an individual, a lawyer in Florida who received this email. Although it would be easy not to respond, I cannot let the record stand with the statements made in this chain unrebutted.
I have read every email attached to this email. Not only do those emails NOT support the claims made below – that the judges in Lee County were acting in a “disgusting” fashion without regard to due process – but they actually show judges working hard to do their jobs as well as they can, and to find the appropriate way to process the staggering caseloads they must manage. These thoughtful judges are communicating about how best to proceed, trying to understand what their colleagues are doing, sharing approaches, and obviously interested in the best possible approach to a difficult problem.
It is wrong and unfair, in my opinion, to make sweeping derogatory statements about these judges, who cannot defend themselves. It is wrong to claim that a dense record supports a sweeping and damning conclusion, knowing that most will not take the time to read the materials. And it is unfair to do so in such a dramatic and widespread fashion.
I understand that people can have reasonable differences about what is right and wrong in these cases, and I certainly understand claims that due process is not being satisfactorily addressed. Those claims should be prosecuted or defended as the clients and their lawyers see fit. Sharing information is an admirable goal. Using a forum to damn others — not so much.
We all have an obligation to speak and act respectfully, and with due regard for our roles in our system of justice. Words have power, and we all have a responsibility to remember that.
I am confident that no one on this list intends harm, and I’m not suggesting that anyone has acted intentionally badly. I simply ask for some care, and caution, in how we communicate about these important issues.
Thanks for “listening.”
Best regards to all,
Mayanne Downs
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If anyone honestly thinks the Florida Bar will ever do anything controversial or address grievances created by their members they are smoking crack. It will take a Federal lawsuit forcing the Florida Supreme Court to enforce the 4th Amendment. The Florida legal system is a creation of the “good old boy” system of jurisprudence where malpractice is a daily occurrence and citizens with legal standing are steamrolled by attorneys and judges who are for sale to the highest bidder.
After all, have you heard one peep from Ms. Downs and the Bar about the proposal to change Florida into a non-judicial foreclosure system? Nope. That process is being rammed through in the dark in Tallahassee while the media and citizens remain oblivious to the consequences of this fact. Due process in Florida is a pipe dream and the Bar could care less about the Constitution, they are too busy collecting fees from suckers who believe that most of their members will actually uphold their oath.
“It will take a Federal lawsuit forcing the Florida Supreme Court to enforce the 4th Amendment.”
JohnGaltfla, you are correct, sir, and I’ve been saying this in most posts I’ve made on here and elsewhere. I know that we have a lot of intelligent attorneys who read this website and are on the side of the people. We need one of them to lead the charge in doing exactly what you said. I await the day and my paperwork is ready and in order.
Ms. Downs in her third paragraph makes a ‘ comment.’…..” Statements about these judges, who cannot defend themselves.” OH PLEASE…must we all play our voilins now for the poor judges who can’t defend themselves? Is she not blowing hot air or what? Nothing said of the thousands of homeowners who went to court and were denied the time to defend themselves and prove to the court the fraud…cause some judge got out of his rocking chair for a fast big buck to robo sign foreclosures…..that is what it actually is. And to say they are too tired…quick fix it…take off that robe and make it the last time you put one on. homeowners are tired too…but they still go to court to prove their discovery…and expect respect from the judge. To get respect one must give respect. So Ms. downs….know what goes on in the court before you speak…and if you are a lawyer in Florida…we know what you stand for…and it is not justice for the homeowners….but please…don’t cram the pity act expecting the citizens to feel sorry for the rude obnoxious judges in some of the courts…
There are good respectful judges but the bad need to be weeded out….cause they are disgusting
I think Ms. Downs missed the whole point here. Instead of criticizing the general wording used in the request, she should had done what was requested of her to do. Sit in the gallery and observe what is really going on in the courts. Of course we all assumed that the Judges are doing their jobs and supposably are doing the right thing. However, we all know that many Judges are bias and are not doing justice to the homeowners in this madness of fraudclosures. Millions had been paid to Judges to come out of retirement just to take care of the thousands of dockets, therefore, the new name of rocket-dockets. Or shall we call them robo-rocket dockets.
What does it take for anyone in the right mind and in the right side of Justice to follow the black letter law.?
Judges don’t have to invent the law. The law already exist for hundreds of years. Property law and right of ownership are as clear as can be in the text books and in the first year at any law school. I hope Ms. Downs sleep good at night and her conscious is as clean as my laundry.
What is most mind blowing, how in the world of justice and in the United States, the role model of the world, can this atrocities happen? If every Attorney and Judge vows to obey and follow the law, how can anyone deviates from the law. The law is not written for one type of people or another. The law is for everyone, regardless sex, race, religion, or any preferential status. If we have two types of laws, one for the rich and one for the poor, the country will go to hell, chaos, violence, and destruction will rein. We will be like the third world countries where there are not laws and people are killing each other everyday by the thousands.
We don’t have to look very far to see this already happening. Look at the latest events in all over Africa, Middle East, and now Egypt and Libya. Hopefully Ms. Downs have a very safe place to live, perhaps hundreds of feet underground in a stainless steel house.
When all this thing blow up and for what I see what is happening from all sides, there is not place to hide. The rich, the poor, the innocent, the guilty, the public figures, the politicians, the most powerful people in the country, there is not escape. This will be like a Tsunami. Imagine millions of people protesting, arming themselves and fighting the banks, the servicers, the judges, the attorneys for the banks, the politicians, everyone they know who had been screwing them for hundreds of years. Do you really think this is not going to happen? If the whole country really knew what they are against, when they finally find out that the one they had been making their mortgage payments for the last 15, 20, or 30 years, don’t have the conveyance of their Deed, the title of their property. They will go bizarre!. If Ms Downs really knew what is going on Securitization, PSA, and the Transfer of Notes to the Trustee, she will be dancing a different tune.
It is too bad that the public is not really informed and educated. We need to reach to the masses and get everyone involve. For those of you who think this is not your fight, you better think again. If you own a home and even if you don’t own a home, if you value the freedom, the peace in life, the safety and security, and if you value anything at all, you should get involve and educate yourself of what really is going on. There is not excuse for ignorance. Education is everything in life. I don’t know and nobody knows how long this will keep hanging on. The truth is, if it happens today or if it happens tomorrow. Are you ready for it, are you prepare, do you know what to do. All these questions and more will not be able to be answered in just one readying or in one email. Let me ask you this. How long can you last without food and water? And what if you don’t have a home to live? The question is for millions of you. Once they take your shelter, your food, and water, what else is there for you to be able to survive? God Bless You and God Bless Ms Downs for what I am sure deep in her heart she has a soul and she soon will realize that the truth shall set her free and that Justice will always prevail. God Bless America!
Good job, Lisa! I especially love your paragraphs at the end of your letter. What a great analogy. Sadly, the mindset that Ms. Downs represents is indicative of the pervasive problem we see in the US now from the top (fed govt) down to the bottom — the feudal lords are pillaging the commoners, us lowly serfs.
What Ms Downs needs to realize is that we are more intelligent than she gives us credit for, and we can read between the lines of her flimsy response. Basically, it’s like she’s been caught in the gardening shed with her panties down and her skirts up, and now that her shenanigans and those of all her buddy lawyers and judges have been exposed, she’s gotten her panties all in a twist as she hurries to cover up and skedaddle out of there.
We know what’s going on. No matter what kind of letters you write, Ms Downs, we are clued in. And if you truly are as deaf, blind and just plain dumb as you sound in your letter, then you need to get out of your castle and come down to the level of us commoners and see that all of the ACLU’s allegations — and Lisa Epstein’s response — are the TRUTH.
obviously ms downs didnt here a lee county judge say to his court room
i will hear the non defended foreclsoures 1st then the defended foreclosures
and by the way if any of you are defending your foreclosure by the time i get to the end of my day i am tired.
oh ok she didnt hear that statement. from our rocket docket not allowing people due proccess becuase he is going to be tired. i sick of this all
Oh my gosh, i was in court the day he said that… that is EXACTLY what he said…
ms downs must be connected to one of the many servicing agents, or to one of the big banks, and is employed by one or more of the dishonest judges on the payroll or kickbacks of the above vfirms. If any sitting judge who has any common since would just take 10 min. of his time before the foreclosure, or any other court matter, then take another 10 min. and listen to the average american citizen, and if they have a lawyer listen to them also. then look at the fact’s behind each and every case. now if no one is contesting the issue then go ahead and rocket docket but at least to the ones who are trying to do the right thing, and to make the firms who are foreclosure, or what ever it may be. Make them show that they have all of the original documents, and necessary paperwork to foreclosure on each and every home. How ever just because they have documentation, does not mean it was not forged, copied, or is fake documents. just listen, then look, and then make a discision, at least make an attempt to correct what most people are telling the judges that the firms who are filing these cases 99% of the time are not the owner of the note/mortgage/lien.