Action Alert – It’s Back! H.R. 3808 Interstate Recognition of Notarization Act of 2010

Here we go again…

First a recap…

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LINK – Action Alert – Is Pres Obama’s Pocket Veto on H.R. 3808 Possibly Ineffective?

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LINK – Action Alert – Please tell President Obama NOT to sign the Interstate Recognition of Notarizations Act

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From the LEGISLATIVE DAY OF NOVEMBER 15, 2010 111TH CONGRESS – SECOND SESSION

Start from bottom up at the 2:13 mark…

2:15 P.M. –
ONE MINUTE SPEECHES – The House proceeded with one minute speeches.

H.R. 3808:
to require any Federal or State court to recognize any notarization made by a notary public licensed by a State other than the State where the court is located when such notarization occurs in or affects interstate commerce

2:14 P.M. –
VETO MESSAGE FROM THE PRESIDENT – The Chair laid before the House the veto message from the President on H.R. 3808. The objections of the President were spread at large upon the Journal, and the veto message was ordered to be printed as a House Document No. 111-152. Pursuant to the order of the House of earlier today, further consideration of the veto message and the bill are postponed until the legislative day of Wednesday, Nov. 17, 2010, and that on that legislative day, the House shall proceed to the constitutional question of reconsideration and dispose of such question without intervening motion.

2:13 P.M. -
The House received a message from the Clerk. Pursuant to the permission granted in Clause 2(h) of Rule II of the Rules of the U.S. House of Representatives, the Clerk transmitted H.R. 3808, the “Interstate Recognition of Notarization Act of 2010,” and a Memorandum of Disapproval thereon received from the White House on October 8, 2010, at 12:55 p.m.

Mr. Scott (VA) asked unanimous consent That, when the House adjourns on Monday, November 15, 2010, it adjourn to meet at 12:30 p.m. on Tuesday, November 16, 2010, for Morning-Hour Debate. Agreed to without objection.

Mr. Scott (VA) asked unanimous consent That, when a veto message on H.R. 3808 is laid before the House on the legislative day of today, then after the message is read and the objections of the President are spread at large upon the Journal, further consideration of the veto message and the bill shall be postponed until the legislative day of Wednesday, Nov. 17, 2010; and that on that legislative day, the House shall proceed to the constitutional question of reconsideration and dispose of such question without intervening motion. Agreed to without objection.

Looks like it is time for another crash course on how this works…

Veto Override Procedure in the House and Senate

Summary

A bill or joint resolution that has been vetoed by the President can become law if two-thirds of the Members voting in the House and the Senate each agree to pass it over the President’s objection. The chambers act sequentially on vetoed measures; the House acts first on House-originated measures (H.R. and H.J. Res.) and the Senate acts first on Senate-originated measures (S. and S.J. Res.). If the first-acting chamber fails to override the veto, the measure dies and the other chamber does not consider it. The House typically considers the question of overriding a presidential veto under the hour rule, with time customarily controlled and allocated by the chair and ranking member of the committee with jurisdiction over the bill. The Senate usually considers the question of overriding a veto under the terms of a unanimous consent agreement.

Voting in the House

To override a veto, two-thirds of the Members voting, a quorum being present, must agree to repass the bill over the President’s objections. The Constitution requires that the vote be by the “yeas and nays,” which in the modern House means that Members’ votes will be recorded through the electronic voting system. The vote on the veto override is final because, in contrast to votes on most other questions in the House, a motion to reconsider the vote on the question of overriding a veto is not in order.

Full rules below…

Check back for updates…

UPDATE: JUST CONFIRMED WITH THE BILL’S SPONSOR STAFF IN WASHINGTON DC AND THERE WILL BE A VOTE TO OVERRIDE OR UPHOLD THE PRESIDENTS VETO WEDNESDAY NOVEMBER 17, 2010.

GET ON THE PHONES AND CALL YOUR REPRESENTATIVES NOW AND TELL THEM TO UPHOLD THE PRESIDENTS VETO!

Link to Contact Your Representative…

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UPDATE: Wednesday Nov 17th, 2010

The House resumes today at 10am. I do not know specifically when H.R. 3808 will be discussed but you can click through to view…

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Click Through to View

LINK TO MINUTES

10:28 A.M. –
The Speaker announced that the House do now recess. The next meeting is subject to the call of the Chair.

H. Res. 1720:
providing for the printing of a revised edition of the Rules and Manual of the House of Representatives for the One Hundred Twelfth Congress

10:27 A.M. –
Motion to reconsider laid on the table Agreed to without objection.

On agreeing to the resolution Agreed to without objection.

Mr. Ellison asked unanimous consent to take from the Speaker’s table and consider.

Considered by unanimous consent.

S.J. Res. 40:
appointing the day for the convening of the first session of the One Hundred Twelfth Congress

Motion to reconsider laid on the table Agreed to without objection.

On passage Passed without objection.

10:26 A.M. -
Mr. Ellison asked unanimous consent to take from the Speaker’s table and consider.

Considered by unanimous consent.

DEBATE TIME LIMITATION – Mr. Ellison asked unanimous consent that debate on passing H.R. 3808, the objections of the President to the contrary notwithstanding, be limited to 10 minutes equally divided and controlled by the chair and ranking minority member of the Committee on the Judiciary. Agreed to without objection.

10:03 A.M. –
ONE MINUTE SPEECHES – The House proceeded with one minute speeches, which by direction of the Chair would be limited to 15 per side of the aisle.

PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE – The Chair designated Mr. Quigley to lead the Members in reciting the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag.

10:02 A.M. –
The Speaker announced approval of the Journal. Pursuant to clause 1, rule I, the Journal stands approved.

Today’s prayer was offered by the House Chaplain, Rev. Daniel Coughlin.

10:01 A.M. –
The Speaker designated the Honorable Ed Pastor to act as Speaker pro tempore for today.

10:00 A.M. –
The House convened, starting a new legislative day.

UPDATE: Wednesday Nov 17th, 2010 4:00pm est

H.R. 3808 Alert – Disposing of the President’s Veto of H.R. 3808- Interstate Recognition of Notarizations Act of 2010

Well folks, from the calls that were placed and the information we have received it has now come down to the next two hours…

http://aderholt.house.gov/index.cfm?sectionid=14&sectiontree=12,14&itemid=925

Confirmed with Adelholt’s office that vote is taking place tonight sometime in the next two hours.  This morning was a discussion and agreement to limit discussion to 10mins.

ANTICIPATED FLOOR SCHEDULE

On Wednesday, November 17th, the House will meet at 10:00 a.m. for legislative business. Following One Minutes, the House will recess in order to accommodate the Democratic and Republican Organizing Meetings.

At approximately 4:00 p.m., the House will reconvene and resume legislative business. Last votes expected: 6:00 p.m.

One Minutes(15 per side)

Disposing of the President’s Veto of H.R. 3808- Interstate Recognition of Notarizations Act of 2010
(Sponsored by Rep. Aderholt / Judiciary Committee)

http://aderholt.house.gov/index.cfm?sectionid=14&sectiontree=12,14&itemid=925

Not sure if it will be live but you can check it out here if it is…

Click Through to View

UPDATE:

Hearing is over, here are the minutes…

CURRENT HOUSE FLOOR PROCEEDINGS
LEGISLATIVE DAY OF NOVEMBER 17, 2010
111TH CONGRESS – SECOND SESSION

 

H.R. 3808:
to require any Federal or State court to recognize any notarization made by a notary public licensed by a State other than the State where the court is located when such notarization occurs in or affects interstate commerce  

5:24 P.M. –
On motion to refer the bill and the accompanying veto message to the Committee on the Judiciary. Agreed to without objection. On passage, the objections of the President to the contrary notwithstanding Failed by the Yeas and Nays (2/3 required): (Roll No. 573).

Motion to refer the bill and accompanying veto message to the Committee on Judiciary.

 

5:14 P.M. –
UNFINISHED BUSINESS – The Chair announced that the unfinished business was the question of passage of H.R. 3808 on reconsideration, the objections of the President to the contrary notwithstanding, and on motions to suspend the rules which had been debated earlier and on which further proceedings had been postponed.  

H. Con. Res. 332:
The title of this measure is not available 

4:42 P.M. –
Motion to reconsider laid on the table Agreed to without objection. On agreeing to the resolution Agreed to by the Yeas and Nays: (Roll No. 572).

Considered as privileged matter.

 

H.R. 3808:
to require any Federal or State court to recognize any notarization made by a notary public licensed by a State other than the State where the court is located when such notarization occurs in or affects interstate commerce 

4:41 P.M. –
POSTPONED PROCEEDINGS – At the conclusion of the allotted debate time, the Chair announced that under the Constitution, the yeas and nays were ordered on the question of passage upon reconsideration, the objection of the President to the contrary notwithstanding. The Chair further announced that further proceedings on that question would be postponed until a time to be announced.  

4:33 P.M. –
DEBATE – Pursuant to the order of the House of today, the House proceeded with 10 minutes of debate on the veto message from the President on H.R. 3808, equally divided and controlled.  

4:32 P.M. –
Pursuant to the order of the House of November 15, 2010, the Chair announced that the unfinished business was the further consideration of the veto message of the President on H.R. 3808.  

4:31 P.M. –
The House convened, returning from a recess continuing the legislative day of November 17.

Thanks All!

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H.R. 3808 Veto Override Procedure in the House and Senate

Comments
24 Responses to “Action Alert – It’s Back! H.R. 3808 Interstate Recognition of Notarization Act of 2010”
  1. Tarkin says:

    This act will cause the States to ask for the reinstatement of the 10th Amendment; for the Bill of Rights to be made whole again.

    The Supreme Court once said the 10th Amendment was unenforceable because it was “redundant”. If the ideals in a Constitutional Amendment are redundant, they are by definition enforceable because the are otherwise stated in the Constitution. Clearly that Supreme Court was corrupt in its thinking.

    Enjoy the passing of the IRON Act and the re-birth of the 10th Amendment.

  2. MARIO KENNY says:

    so they will have to change the UCC, and the federal banking laws, and many other state and bankruptcy laws to go with all this, even the constitution has to be changed

  3. Sal says:

    “and the bill shall be postponed until the legislative day of Wednesday, Nov. 17, 2010; and that on that legislative day, the House shall proceed to the constitutional question of reconsideration and dispose of such question without intervening motion. Agreed to without objection.”

    I read that quote differently then what you do. To me it says that on that day the House shall consider the constitutional question of reconsideration and dispose of it without having someone make the motion.

    In other words, all vetoes have to come back to the House to put the President’s response into the journal and be reconsidered but rather than actually reconsidering it as constitutionally required, they are deeming it reconsidered and dispose of the bill without a motion.

    There does not seem to be anything to worry about this time anyway. At lease that is my opinion on the matter. This just seems to be a procedural matter of finalizing the bill and closing it from further consideration.

  4. CJ says:

    Of course we must do everything to prevent this bill from passing. However, I am taking some comfort in knowing that if it does pass, it will not withstand constitutional scrutiny if applied ex post facto.

  5. Winston Smith says:

    Where are the pitchforks?

  6. yvonne says:

    You want to know the power of agreement? All come in agreement and decree and declare out oud that ” “there will be no passing of the HR 3808…it is now dissolved!”

    Trust me on this…for bonus, say…” in Jesus name” waht do you have to loose?

  7. isavehouses says:

    Just tried the link to get to our Fl rep and the link does not work from the government sight….

    Maybe they took it down……

  8. l vent says:

    Ronald Reagan and Pope John Paul with God’s help,brought down communism in Russia for a reason. They both almost payed for it with there lives. RE: RT NEWS VIA You Tube videos via the web!! SPREAD THE WORD ABOUT THIS TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW!!! GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!

  9. l vent says:

    THE DEVIL TRULY IS IN THE DETAILS OF THIS WHOLE FORECLOSUREGATE, MORTGAGE CONVEYANCE FRAUD SCANDAL. WE THE PEOPLE, WITH THE HELP OF GOD, WILL TRIUMPH OVER THIS EVIL. THE EVIL WILL EVENTUALLY DIE, AND ROT AWAY LIKE A CORPSE! GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!

    • LOL says:

      You seriously think an imaginary being will intervene on your behalf? You people are sick in the head and quite arrogant to think that first, all of the universe was created with only humanity in mind and secondly that if your imaginary friend did create all of this, that deity would intervene in foreclosure issues.

      Let me guess, you prayed and something happened in your life. You probably peed on the same day to, why not attribute that or maybe because you road a bike or drove a car. You can start to see how silly believing that praying accomplishes anything aside from peace of mind and a waste of time.

      Take your god crap and stuff it. this is about politics and real, tangible things and ideas.

      • Sal says:

        An atheist was walking through the woods one day in Alaska admiring all that evolution had created.

        “What majestic trees !

        What a powerful river !

        What beautiful animals!” he said to himself.

        As he walked alongside the river he heard a rustling in the bushes behind him. Turning to look, he saw a 13 foot Kodiak bear beginning to charge toward him. He ran as fast as he could down the path. He looked over his shoulder and saw that the bear was rapidly closing on him. Somehow he ran even faster, so scared that tears came to his eyes. He looked again and the bear was even closer. His heart pounding in his chest he tried to run even faster yet. But alas, he tripped and fell to the ground. As he rolled over to pick himself up he saw the bear reaching for him with his left paw and raising his right paw to deliver a killing blow.

        “OH MY GOD !” he pleadingly screamed.

        Time stopped.
        The bear froze.
        The forest was silent.
        Even the powerful river stopped flowing.

        A brilliant light shone upon the man and a thunderous voice came from all around,
        “YOU DENY MY EXISTENCE FOR ALL THESE YEARS. YOU TEACH OTHERS THAT I DON’T EXIST. YOU EVEN CREDIT CREATION TO SOME COSMIC ACCIDENT. DO YOU EXPECT ME TO HELP YOU OUT OF THIS PREDICAMENT? AM I TO COUNT YOU AS A BELIEVER? ”

        Difficult as it was, the atheist looked directly into the light and said, “It would be hypocritical to ask to be a Christian after all these years and under these circumstances but perhaps you could make the bear a Christian? ”

        “VERY WELL” said the voice.

        The light went out.
        The river ran.
        The sounds of the forest resumed.

        The huge bear dropped down on his knees, brought both paws together, bowed and spoke…………
        “Lord, thank you for this food which I am about to receive.”

      • Stupendous Man - Defender of Liberty - Foe of Tyranny says:

        There are better forums to engage in religious debates than this one. I would appreciate it if ALL you folks – on both sides of this aisle – would self monitor your comments and keep this forum, whose sole purpose is exposing and stopping FORECLOSURE FRAUD, from loosing site and focus on that.

  10. eline S says:

    Did you ever stop to think, interstate recognition of notarizations have been going on for as long as I’ve been alive. I’ve had paper work notarized in CO for Deed conveyance in California for example. States already honor each others laws! There is something else going on underneath the misleading title. How do we read the text of the act to get to what’s really being pushed?

  11. Officer of the Law says:

    Which enumerated power authorizes the Federal government to control evidence codes in state courts?

    Why did it take over 200 years for Congress to discover that it was “authorized” to determine what will be allowed as evidence in state courts?

    Ignorance of the law is a dangerous thing especially when the public is ignorant and the “law” is controlled by those who do the bidding of criminals. The bankers and their minions in government hope that the public remains ignorant of their crimes commonly reported by their propaganda machine as paperwork mistakes.

    The scum in power really hope that the public remains ignorant of its power to enforce the law, ignorant of the fact that a movement to break the banks by simply withdrawing deposits and moving them to credit unions could be very successful, and ignorant of the fact that we far outnumber them and that many members of law enforcement are awakening to the corruption of our leaders and the crooked prosecutors. It is time to start pulling these scumbags over for weaving and bust them for drug possession, one of their favorite tools to silence those who attempt to stop them.

    Since the Constitution does not give the Federal government any power to determine what constitutes evidence in state courts, this act is a blatant violation of all of our rights under color of law. That constitutes a couple of felonies pursuant to 18 U.S.C. §§ 241 and 242.

    Of course, the cash that Congressman Robert C. “Booby” Scott (D-VA) has taken from the banksters to do them favors is also a felony. Naturally, Congressman Scott is NOT worried about anyone at the bank owned Dept. of “Justice” doing anything about his criminal conduct, but he may want to take a minute to decide whether or not he wants to renounce his criminal scheme.

    Congressman Scott, being an ignorant criminal, doesn’t know that every citizen has the right to arrest anyone who is involved in the commission of a felony. Just like an arrest by a law enforcement officer, a citizen has the right to use all necessary force to make the arrest. So, Congresscrook Scott may just want to start looking over his shoulder unless he wants to publicly renounce his participation in this criminal scheme to help the bankers steal more homes and do further harm to the economy.

    Does anyone need any more proof that most members of Congress are working for the banksters and helping them to steal the homes of millions of American families? If so, just recall the billions of our money that Congress gave the poor banksters just before the last election.

    Here is Congresscrook Scott’s home page http://www.bobbyscott.house.gov/

    Perhaps if a few people call his office and ask if he is aware that he committing a couple of felonies by trying to override the veto of H.R. 3808, he may decide to follow the law. Call his offices at:

    Washington, DC Office
    1201 Longworth House Office Building
    Washington, DC 20515
    (202) 225-8351 | FAX (202) 225-8354

    Hampton Roads Office
    2600 Washington, Ave, Suite 1010
    Newport News, VA 23607
    (757) 380-1000 | FAX (757) 928-6694

    Richmond Area Office
    400 N 8th Street, Suite 430
    Richmond, VA 23219
    (804) 644-4845 | FAX (804) 648-6026

    For more on the power of citizens to make arrests, see
    http://www.legalaffairs.org/issues/July-August-2004/termsofart_marsh_julaug04.msp
    http://www.constitution.org/grossack/arrest.htm and
    http://legallad.quickanddirtytips.com/citizens-arrest-2.aspx

  12. joe parisi says:

    Bring in Jesse Ventura, the guy has balls!

  13. MARIO KENNY says:

    Oh gaud this again, we have to get a tea party type movement and strike Washington with mass protests

  14. housemanrob says:

    Now we find out….. JUST HOW CROOKED….. ART THEE!!

  15. M E.C. says:

    The question is whether this was a pocket veto because the House was not in session within the ten day time frame that the President had to sign or veto the bill. For a veto, the Bill must be returned to the chamber from whence it commenced, otherwise it is a pocket veto. A pocket veto is considered to be the responsibility of Congress not the President, thus the veto cannot be over ridden by 2/3 majority in the House and Senate and the Bill must be reintroduced in some other form.

    There is interesting analysis of this on the senate website and whether this was an actual veto or a pocket veto is up for debate.

    Given the fact that robo signers have already admitted that this electronic process is being mal used by the Banks and Servicers using a notary’s stamp without the notary being present or fulfilling the legal requirements of notarization, Congress might as well eliminate notaries entirely because that is the effect of that bill.

    Given that technology is creating the need to revamp our legal system, it would behoove our leaders to examine more carefully the pros, cons and consequences (unintended and intended)of the bills they pass and where, as here, it affects state law, requisition the input of the states and first determine a uniform standard for notaries that is acceptable to all states prior to accepting the most minimal state standards and arbitrarily imposing those (lack of) standards on the entire country. What a travesty!!!

  16. MK says:

    The thing you forget is that these people in congress are basicaly failures in their chosen profession. Most are anyway. They go to law school and some may actually have passed the BAR exam, then they go into practice and fail. So they fall back on politics. In politics they instantly become experts of every topic. That aside, this resolution like most legislation that gets brought to a vote have very disturbing wording in them someplace that goes…”blah blah blah gives congress to enforce the contents of this act and of other matters.” It’s the “of other matters” that has always rubbed me wrong. It basically gives an open ended ability to enforcement of the act using any post facto means. Ie. They are not sure what might come up so to safe we’ll just give ourselves unlimited authority to bring anyone up on charges in violation of this legislation. This type of authoring of legislation has been going on now for how long? anyway, it is only one of the reasons why it seems these crooks constantly do whatever they want no matter what the general concensus may be.

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