Lee County | Charlie Green: Judges act lawfully, professionally, but not hastily, in foreclosure cases

From Urban Dictionary: The term “pigs ass” is used in many situations. It is most commonly used when someone claims something is not true.

And we all remember Lee County Clerk of Court Charlie Green from previous articles right?

LEE COUNTY

CLERK: CHARLIE GREEN

Executive Assistant: Laura Bennett
P. O. Box 2469, Ft. Myers, FL 33902
or 1700 Monroe Street, Ft. Myers, FL 33901
Telephone (239) 533-5000 (main)
http://www.leeclerk.org/

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From previous posts…

LINK – Lee County FL – Clerk of Court Charlie Green, “There Should be a Way to Foreclose Quickly Against Deadbeats Who are Destroying Neighborhoods”

But county Clerk of Court Charlie Green, who’s struggling to stay ahead of a flood of new foreclosures and a 23,000-case backload, said “there should be a way to foreclose quickly against deadbeats who are destroying neighborhoods by neglecting or abandoning their homes”.

I agree with the banks: Those people need to go.”

And…

LINK – Fox 4 News Investigates Lee County’s “Rocket Docket” Program

Clerk of Courts Charlie Green: “The debt is still the debt. The note is supposed to be present, and that’s a problem for the lender. It comes back to both parties, the party who borrowed the money, who signed the note agreed to pay.

…Even if the other party can’t be determined.

 And…

LINK – Fox 4 Rocket Docket Investigation

Lee county Clerk of Courts Charlie Green denies that could be going on, “I”I’ve never seen or courts step outside what their own procedures.”

Green adds, “you have to make an effort to make the payments.”

Liza Fernandez: “This guy has been making payments.”

Charlie Green: “Did he show you canceled checks?”

Liza Fernandez: “He showed me bank statements, showing payments made that haven’t been applied. All they want is proof from the bank as to where this money is. That’s all they want.”

And after further research, the clerk of courts gave us a statement: “We have not required, in the past, nor do I think we will, to have copies (of those documents) attached. It’s not mandatory.”

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Now there is this…

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Charlie Green Oped

Charlie Green: Judges act lawfully, professionally, but not hastily, in foreclosure cases

The word foreclosure today is a word that brings to mind horror pictures of people losing their homes, foreclosure mills pushing papers through without checking to see if they are correct, mortgage companies giving money to people who were not qualified and finally of greed.

Yes, the greed of Wall Street…

All these snapshots have some truth in them.

There are three primary reasons our county is in the situation with foreclosures today:

1) Unintended consequences from government policies;

2) Poor lending practices resulting from these consequences, and;

3) People borrowing money they could not pay back.

There are allot more than three reasons, sorry Charlie…

These three reasons coupled with a red-hot building market had only one way to end – a real estate bust.

Results of the bust now are best illustrated by two clear problems that must be resolved if we are to fully recover.

The first problem is mortgagors in default on their payment(s) (resulting in foreclosure) and the second problem are mortgagees who have problems with “their paperwork.”

Oh, Charlie, so narrow minded. There are much bigger problems that need to be addressed if “we are to fully recover.”

These are two distinct problems requiring separate actions.

Distinct problems requiring separate actions? Wow, you really believe that, don’t you?

They cannot be co-mingled if we are to reach an equitable solution to the total foreclosure problem.

Cannot be co-mingled? Are you serious? How can they NOT? If an alleged creditor can not PROVE you owe them money, how can they collect? How bout this, Charlie, you owe me $1 million dollars and I will sue you to collect if you do not pay. Oh, you say I have no proof? Well, I know some people that can get me all the proof I need. So what you say?

As we struggle to find answers, it is easy to point fingers and try to place blame.

A recent case filed in the Second District Court of Appeal by the ACLU is attempting to put blame on the 20th Judicial Circuit Court and the use of special court dates for only foreclosure cases.

Which is well deserved…

The special allocated times are known as the “rocket dockets.”

Claims are being made that the court did not do its job. Those claims are wrong. Lee County and the 20th Circuit judges have handled the foreclosure cases in a very professional manner and they have followed the law.

Really Charlie? The court has NOT done its job. And for acting in a very professional manner and following the law, have you read about the little secret agreement that was arranged to help the banks and Provest?

Well, if you haven’t, you can here.

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4closureFraud.org

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40 Responses to “Lee County | Charlie Green: Judges act lawfully, professionally, but not hastily, in foreclosure cases”
  1. Fury says:

    Larry Bradshaw,
    i am thankful that your affidavit was included in the ACLU complaint.

    your experience in court shows what a mockery has been made of our whole judicial system.
    imo, your day in court sounded like the Marx Brothers Meets Judge Roy Bean.

    i got sick in the court house bathroom as a result of how my family and other f/c families were treated in the court room.

    i will never forget the look of a terrified woman who stood meekly and in shock next to her lawyer.
    we were waiting for our case to be called and i had to witness the utter fear in those going ahead of us.

    something is seriously wrong in this country when obvious fraud and foreclosure crimes go unpunished.

  2. cindermaggie says:

    YOUVE GOT A WAY WITH WOIDS!

  3. cindermaggie says:

    SHOWS YOU HOW MUCH I KNOW I THOUGHT JUDGE TERAN JOHNNY CASH AND RAYCHARLES WERE TOP ME ALONG WITH TOM CASH:)

  4. cindermaggie says:

    HES BEEN RETIRED FOR GOOD RIGHT? IF NOT …. WHICH OF THE 3 IS HE? OR COUNTY I MET HIM IN?

    • incognito123 says:

      None of these pigs a$$es are in jail where they belong, and no not retired, Thompson & Starns are ‘retired’ now “Senior Judges” acting outside the scope of any laws

  5. CoCo says:

    IT is not about if the homeowner owes the money. It IS about the lender TELLING credit worthy people TO GO LATE, AND, WE WILL GET YOU A LOAN MODIFICATION SO THEY COULD COLLECT 1K FROM THE GOVERNMENT.AFTER A 3 MONTH BOGUS HAMP MODIFICATION .THEY STRING YOU ALONG FOR ANOTHER 6 MONTHS OF PAYMENTS TO A BOGUS LENDER. WHERE IS THAT MONEY THAT YOU PAID IN FOR A BOGUS HAMP? THEY ARE IN VIOLATION OF THE LAW. I AM REQUESTING MY MONEY BACK, TRIPLE DAMAGES FOR RUINED CREDIT AND QUIET TITLE TO MY HOME. I WAS SCAMMED. IT IS AN ECONOMIC CRIME . THIS CRIME CAN AND SHOULD BE PROSECUTED BY THE FBI. IT IS FRAUD. THE ROBO SIGNERS ARE STARTING TO SING TO SAVE THEIR SORRY SELVES. KEEP ON FIGHTING-THEY WILL GO TO PRISON. DO NOT GIVE UP. THEY WILL NOT WIN. SAVE YOUR HOME. CALL THE ECONOMIC CRIME UNIT IN MIAMI. GOOGLE THE NUMBER.

    • MAGGIE MAY says:

      i tried no number! The fbi requested all my mortgage paperworj before i came carteret mortgage ocwen etc and i left box for 1 week picked it up . they can drop info at local fed or fdle office in fl they send it to right place who trusts the internet!

  6. housemanrob says:

    JAIL…JAIL….JAIL….JAIL…….for Charlie Green and all his pay pals!

  7. one sound says:

    The COURT SYSTEM is the SAME ……..BAR….. STANDS FOR ……………BRITISH ACRETITED REGISTERY
    ATTORNEYS DO NOT HAVE LICENISE TO PRACTICE LAW THEY HAVE A BAR NUMBER
    THAT MAKES THEM A BRITISH CITTISEN NOT AN American anymore
    Once they have passed the BAR THEY HAVE BECOME a DOUBLE AGENT for the QUEEN
    NO LONGER ARE THEY AN American
    The JUDGE Have NO MORE POWER THAN a NOTARY Republic and agent for the state of ENGLAND AND guess what they are not in ENGLAND ARE THEY
    SO THIS SIMPLEY MEANS YOU as an American do not belong in their COURTS Unless you want to be hurt, fined or imprisoned by the QUEEN because that what does to peasants people
    This is the way THE BRITISH INVAIDED America in the 20th and 21st century for the tea party movement , THE WAR OF 1812.
    THE CIVIL WAR in 1861 -1865,
    They came back through deceptive lies, magic and trickery to hurt the people of America to steal your life liberty and property from you
    Using the POLITICAL SYSTEM WITH THEIR ATTORNIES ACTING AS JUDGES AND POLITITIONS
    They infiltrated America and her people WITH BRITISH foreigners that are now and have been acting as DOUBLE AGENTS for BRITAIN the QUEEN of ENGLAND all this time brain washing and dumming down the American people and their children .
    The ROCKERFELLER /ROUTHCHILD FIAT BANKING SYSTEM though the ALL THE WARS created by the BANKSTERS and ATTORNEYS have hurt the whole world through their
    POLITICAL CORPERAIT GOVERNMENT, FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM, IRS, CIA,FBI, CON-GREES WALL STREET OR ANYTHIG WITH WALL ATTATCHED TO IT’S Name THE PRESIDEND OF THE CORP’S , is only a puppet for THE CORPERATIONS
    BETTER KNOWN AS THE CORPS,VAMPIERS, LEECHES , FREE LOADERS, PERISITES , CON-ARTIST, THEIVES oh did I say WALL STREET
    ONLY ACTING as Americans and for the peoples best interest AS A DOUBLE ANGENT FOR THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND
    AS WELL AS THE COURT SYSTEM it is all just a theater and they are all just ACTORS doing their best to kill us off!!
    This is why nothing makes any since anymore in America or anywhere in the world right now or ever
    CAN YOU SAY HIGH TREASON, TRADERS THEY ALL NEED TO BE LOCKED UP
    Please WAKE UP PEOPLE AND TAKE peace full administrative action or all you really need to do if you do not know how to do that is JUST STOP GIVING THEM YOUR ENERYGY
    WHO WAS IT THE SAID I have never been hurt by anything I did not say or do !!
    I think it may have been Thomass Jefferson , one of our founding fathers
    It would not hurt you all to study all about our founding fathers because we are facing the same thing right now in our time all this have come full circle
    The last real president was…………………… John F Kennedy

  8. pamelag says:

    they must be dropping big $$$ for these ‘judges’. woe to them all.

    • incognito123 says:

      Bribery, oh no, say it couldn’t be true in the 20th Circuit…………. hmmmmm, my friends and I have been saying for some time now, it gets to a point where there is NO other explanation other than bribery. While there may be “here is $50K, please rule in our favor” types of bribery, more than likely it is, we’ll wipe your mortgage away, for your friends, family members, help you get re-elected, etc. types of bribes. But I am sure they hide this bribery so well it will be very difficult to find, but there is no other true way to explain all this corruption.

      I network all over the state, and hear how bad their county is from these people. Many don’t know where I am from, UNTIL I say it is part of the 20th Judicial Circuit, and we get our judges from Lee County. Suddenly, they know exactly the area I am from and say “never mind” you have it much worse than I do. The corruption is WELL KNOWN throughout the state. I am really beginning to think the only way to fix this will be to have a federal agency, such as the FBI, do a undercover, probably several year investigation. This state cannot fix this problem, it is just too big to be fixed locally.

  9. Pattie says:

    Once again Mr. Green reveals his lack of understanding of the issues facing those involved in foreclosure world when he says that the lack of payments and the “paperwork problems” cannot be co-mingled. Manufactured defaults, improper payment postings and the like are all part of the crisis. But we should not be surprised. Mr. Green lacks legal training but is always free with his opinions on how the court should adjudicate cases. Perhaps if he loses his $150,000.00 a year job, can’t pay his mortgage and then is denied a modification, he will not be so quick to disparage homeowners. The corruption in Lee County is breathtaking. What’s even more astounding is how it continues.

  10. leapfrog says:

    Is this an elected position? Someone needs to vote out or recall this corrupt ignorant fool.

  11. AliceN.Wunderland says:

    Larry, thank you for sharing.

    ( and wondering what judge thompson does for a living)

    • MAGGIE MAY says:

      PROLLY SELLS DRUGS SMUT HIRES HITMEN!!

    • incognito123 says:

      He’s ‘retired’ like Starns. They are NOT following the Constitution, Rules of Court, or any other laws in the state, but especially the 20th Judicial Circuit. These judges are SUPPOSED to be elected, but they were illegally appointed, and nobody has been able to do anything YET………ACLU is at least starting to step in. But really, they need more help!! This is too big even for them I feel.

      • Larry Bradshaw says:

        Hi incognito123,

        I am trying to get intouch with you through this website. Who is Ann P?

        Thanks,
        Larry Bradshaw

      • incognito123 says:

        Are you on ForeclosureHamlet.org ?

      • Larry Bradshaw says:

        I have been on the website before, however I have not had any success finding help there. What am I missing when looking at that website?

        Thanks,
        Larry

      • incognito123 says:

        I sent you a private message on FH, click on chat near the top menu, then click the tab that says incognito123 where I sent you a private message
        \

  12. l vent says:

    ALL of these SELLOUTS ARE CORRUPTED BY THE FOREIGN MULTINATIONALS. THEY ARE HELPING THEM TO DESTROY AMERICA. THEY ARE ALL TREASONISTS. If they are not following the rule of law and they are not governing under the U.S. CONSTITUTION, THEY SHOULD BE THROWN OUT!!!

  13. AliceN.Wunderland says:

    And so it goes, and where it ends, nobody knows. Everytime they open their mouths they fall deeper into the rabbit hole. Wonderland is great isn’t it charlie. Alice

  14. MAGGIE MAY says:

    NEW EXPRESSION TO LEARN!

  15. Larry Bradshaw says:

    This is my Rocket Docket experience yesterday Charlie Green. I thought it might be of value to share. I might add that I am the Pro se whos affidavit is part of the ACLU’S Petition with Exhibits of fraud.

    April 26 hearing case #08-ca-055974

    I went up to the judge to request a continuance in my case because I had filed a Notice of Removal in the federal district court.

    Judge Thompson did not know how to proceed, so he asked for advice from attorneys not of record. The attorney not of record told the judge Thompson he was not sure if the notice of removal had actually been filed with the federal district court.

    one additional attorney got involved who was not of record to advise as well.

    Attorney Greg goetz looked up in his computer to see if there was a statute that took away jurisdiction from the state court. Which he never found.

    Another legal assistant or attorney, I am not sure who he was, verified that my Notice of Removal had been filed in the federal district court upon checking the computer, but he could not determine if there was an out come that had been recorded nor could he verify if the state court could assume jurisdiction.

    The attorney not of record said he had a witness there for the trial today, and requested if the court would allow for hearing tomorrow so the court could verify if it had jurisdiction to continue with the trial today because the attorney was not sure if the court had proper jurisdiction as an option.

    Judge Thompson, with out any regard to jurisdiction denied my request to continue, and said my trial would continue today.

    I told Judge Thompson that I was notified of the witness list three days before this hearing and not ten days which is the allowable time in order to proceed to trial.

    Judge Thompson, said I don’t care your case will be tried today regardless.

    I thanked the judge for continuing the fraud and left the court room because it was obvious that the court was not going to here me and grant a summary judgment.

    Charlie, do you think it feels goos to hear a judge say, “I don’t care, your case has gone on long enough.” especially when the State court does not have jurisdiction?

    • Stupendous Man - Defender of Liberty - Foe of Tyranny says:

      Larry,

      The “I don’t care” attitude is common in all courts that involve pro se folks.

      Judicial complaints are needed.

      • incognito123 says:

        ABSOLUTELY COMPLAINTS MUST BE FILED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO two ways about it, on EVERY violation BY ANYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The attorney, judge, notary, clerk, EVERYONE that does not cross their T’s or dot their i’s. While the agency you complain to might not do anything, if they get enough complaints, that carpet where they have been sweeping all these complaints to, will be so far off the ground they will be FORCED to finally act, so KEEP THE COMPLAINTS ROLLING AGAINST EVERY PARTICIPATING CRIMINAL!!!!!!!!!!!! Meaning judge, attorney, clerk, bailiff, EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That F*&^in Goetz and his dad are weasels!! They DO NOT represent the banks in ANY of these cases. My group has called them out on this issue (and ignored – shocking, huh) but a couple weeks ago, I saw the first attorney call him out on this issue! AWESOME to see an attorney finally do their job properly – Ann P (I’ll give her name if you contact me through this website)

    • indio007 says:

      Why was there a witness for summary judgment? Sorry to say this but they tricked you into giving up. It happens all the time. All the yours in the room go into an act. They ask each other empty questions and pretend to act confused.

      The thing is the state court is not divested of jurisdiction by a simple removal ACCORDING TO STATE LAW.

      The state considers it concurrent and it is It is concurrent and until you establish that the removal is based on original federal jurisdiction. they will just keep going. You have to remember this simple fact that a judge is not liable for a wrongful foreclosure until he acts. Till that eviction is exucuted it does not matter what he does because even if he acts wrongly there is no injury in fact. The process isn’t an injury. Taking your house is an injury.

      • Larry Bradshaw says:

        Thanks, indio007, incognito123, and Stupendous Man for your commits,

        incognito123, I am not sure how to reply to you directly through this website? Ann P, Is someone who might be able to help me?

        Here is another Rocket Docket story I will share with you as well. I bet Charlie Green will enjoy seeing this fraud exposed as well through the internet.

        As a Homeowner who has been served with three mortgage foreclosure complaints, all within the past five years, and all pertaining to the same residence in Lee County, Florida; I have often wondered if it is possible to seek justice in Lee County, Florida?

        My story, as a pro se defendant, has gone down a path that has produced more questions about the integrity of our justice system than I can possibly ask at this point. I have certainly learned a great deal about mortgage foreclosure complaints, Florida law, Florida’s civil rules of procedures, and the Rocket Docket Program. However, my experiences continue to leave me with the same question; is it possible to seek justice in Lee County?

        I would like to share a Charlie Green “Rocket Docket” experience that I discovered while seeking justice during my latest mortgage foreclosure complaint. As I understand it, part of the integrity of the justice system, as well as the responsibility of the Clerk of Court is to maintain the accuracy of the Docket. My discovery may give rise to a new meaning of the word “Rocket” in the Rocket Docket Program.

        On February 22, 2010 I attend a Hearing on Plaintiff Motion to Compel filed on October 1, 2009, filed by Attorney Mitchell Rothman of Florida Default Law Group, P.L. the Hearing was set to be heard by Judge Michael McHugh. However, where upon checking in with Judge McHugh’s judicial assistant, I was told that the hearing was not on McHugh’s docket sounding that day? At that discovery, McHugh’s assistant directed me to go to Judge George Richards Court Room on a lower floor where the case had purported to have been transferred. My Father and I hurried to Judge Richards Court room only to find the door was locked, but there were two attorneys in the court room alone. I recognized one attorney as being Gregg Goetz. Immediately, I returned to Judge McHugh’s court room where his assistant personally escorted my father and I back to Judge Richards Court Room to find the door locked as well. Judge McHugh’s assistant then asked my Father and I to wait as she searched for someone with a key to get into the court room. Upon returning the door was unlocked by a bailiff and we all went inside where the assistant checked the computer and found that Judge Richards had heard the case and denied plaintiff’s motion to compel. The discovery was consistent with the original minutes recorded from Judge Richards Court dated 2/22/10.

        On March 15, 2010, a little over 3 weeks later, Judge McHugh issued a “corrected Order on Plaintiff’s Motion to Compel in which he stated, “This cause having come before the Court on February 22. 2010, on Plaintiff’s Motion to Compel and having reviewed the aforementioned documents and having heard the arguments of Plaintiff counsel and the Defendant, and being otherwise fully advised in the premises, it is ordered and adjudged as follows:

        1. Plaintiff Motion to Compel is hereby granted.
        2 Defendant has twenty (20) days to respond to discovery”.

        Perhaps it is just me, but I find it odd that there are no minutes recorded by Judge McHugh after he claims to have heard the case. With that said, I filed an objection to the corrected order, and a Motion to Disqualify Judge McHugh with an affidavit, which he denied as legally insufficient, but the docket only shows the objection being filed on 3/25/10. I then amended my Motion to disqualify Judge McHugh and refilled it on 4/5/10, with a similar denial on 4/14/10.

        To say the least, I was completely confused as to how two different judges heard the same arguments at the same time on the same day when they were on two different floors of the Court House? Not to mention that Judge Richards denied the Motion to Compel on the day of the hearing, and Judge McHugh granted the same motion to compel about three weeks later.

        This appears to be clear and convincing evidence of a “conspiracy to commit fraud” (cover up), a fraudulent act, switching the minutes of the court where the Motion to Compel was “denied: on the hearing day 2/22/10, by Judge Richards, but later switched to indicate the Motion was granted. I believe this was done to clear the way for a summary judgment in favor of the plaintiff that if appealed, this Court, (The 2nd DCA of Florida) would see the Motion to Compel Discovery was granted indicating I had refused to exercise my discovery rights and therefore waived such right, thus supporting the trial courts granting of a summary judgment through the Rocket Docket Program.

        The court documents can be viewed by clicking the link below
        http://www.scribd.com/doc/48773946/Lee-County-Mortgage-Foreclosure-Fraud

        I have since filed for a Writ of Mandamus with the 2nd DCA which reveals more information and additional fraud, and how the Rocket Docket Program in my experience has left me with out an adequate remedy of law. The 2nd DCA has since issued a Mandamus Response to show cause, however on Feb 24th 2011 the 2nd DCA eventually denied my Writ. As I understand it, an officer of the court has a duty to report fraud on the court, however in my case the lower tribunal, as well as the 2nd district court of appeals seems to have forgotten their duty to report such a crime, committed by officers of the court (Judge in Lee County). I guess if you are a Judge in Lee County Florida, it’s a free for all fraud fest.

        I am a pro se litigant, which means the courts are to read my petitions, motions, briefs, etc. expansively, and not hold me to the same scrutiny as an attorney. In my Petition, I hit all the elements required, which is evidenced by the fact that the 2nd DCA issued a mandamus response in regards to my writ. In addition, I proffered up all the evidence in the attached exhibits. Here is the funny thing about all this. After 5 years in mortgage foreclosure with three complaints. I have been through 10 judges, and some 25 attorneys with 3 different law firms. The Lee County court system has allowed fraud on numerous accessions, by every attorney who has either appeared in a court hearing, or filed a false document on record. In addition, the judges involved have committed fraud, by ignoring the civil rules of procedures, or altered court minutes, Amending court minutes, or conducting ex parte communication on several occasions, as well as disregarding previous judicial orders from prior hearings. Yet I am still in my home. The justice system in Lee County Florida is like watching a bunch of deceitful judges trying to French kiss a rattle snake.
        http://www.scribd.com/doc/44363252/Florida-Second-District-Court-of-Appeals-Petition-for-Writ-of-Mandamus

        http://www.scribd.com/doc/46081428/Florida-Second-District-Court-of-Appeals-Mandamus-Response

        http://www.scribd.com/doc/48572498/Florida-Second-District-Court-of-Appeals-Respondent-s-Response-to-Mandamus

        http://www.scribd.com/doc/48572974/Part-2-Respondent-s-Response-to-Mandamus

        http://www.scribd.com/doc/48579534/Part-3-Respondent-s-Response-to-Mandamus

        http://www.scribd.com/doc/48572272/Florida-Second-District-Court-of-Appeals-Reply-to-Respondents-Response

        http://www.scribd.com/doc/49640848/Florida-Second-District-Court-of-Appeals-Writ-of-Mandamus-Denied
        Hmmmmmmmmmm, I wonder why the writ of mandamus was denied? The 2nd DCA did not explain as to why they denied the writ. I think it may be safe to say, the 2nd DCA may be in on the cover up. Fraud on the court is fraud on the court, and the 2nd DCA had the proof, and without question should have dismissed this case.

    • Canuck Linda says:

      I had similar experience with Judge Thompson. I had an unopposed motion and the Judge decided to oppose it. I was never served. Judge Thompson said I didn’t have to be! As long as I got a copy on my own, that was good enough and I was process “served” the day I got my own copy and he denied my motion on his own direction. The opposing attorneys never once asked him to deny my motion, all they did was present my case because Judge Thompson wouldn’t let me present it. The attorneys never once asked him to deny my motion cause the attorneys knew they had not served me and they did not want to go on record falsely claiming they had. Most of the attorneys were not even of record. This is the US? It is unreal, the total, blatant disregard for the integrity of the court, the law, the truth. Charlie Green helps all of this along by refusing to record the proceedings. The Clerk notes “denied” or “granted” and that is the sole extent of the recording. He is totally part of this RICO enterprise. If there was an audio recording, they wouldn’t act like this. But you can’t prove anything. Good luck getting a court reporter that will work for Pro Se and it costs a fortune and they will penalize you by not hearing your case and you have to keep coming back….

      • Larry says:

        Thank you for sharing Linda.

        The fraud is being exposed at a rapid pace now. The Pro se Homeowners and Defense Attorneys are waking up now in large numbers. The ACLU is now involved. We need to keep up the fight, and with any luck perhaps some attorneys will get involved from a selfless position, and put their best resources together regardless of cost not only monitarily, but also career wise and break this corruption down. We are quickly aproaching a tipping point, but we need the right attorneys who’s harts are in the right place who are willing to stand up and fight without regard of coast. Freedom comes with a price that can not be bought. It is just a matter of time now when the right attorneys step up no matter what the cost and help pay the price that the Pro ses are paying. It is all or nothing to preserve our judicial system. You can not win this fight by sitting on the fence in a luke warm position.

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