Victimless Crime | Banks, Obama Administration Pressure AGs on Fraudclosure Settlement

Banks say they are being unfairly penalized because Robo Signing is basically a victimless crime; the vast majority of the people being foreclosed upon have been delinquent on their mortgages for a significant period of time.

One of the arguments the administration is using with some success is that the foreclosure investigation has prevented banks from removing people from their homes who can’t pay their mortgages, and as a result, the banks can’t sell foreclosed property to people who can afford mortgage payments.

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Banks, Obama Administration Pressure AGs on Fraudclosure Settlement

The Obama Administration has finally found something it can agree on with the nation’s big banks: The need for the 50 state attorneys general to finally reach a deal to end the year-long investigation into faulty mortgage foreclosure practices and reach a long-awaited settlement, the FOX Business Network has learned.

People at the big banks say the Obama Administration is prodding the state AGs, led by Iowa’s Tom Miller, to agree on a deal that is currently on the table that calls for fines and revised mortgage foreclosure practices — but also limits banks’ liability on legal action.

Banking executives say if there has been any progress made in reaching a deal in the near future — and there is wide disagreement among banks and regulators about how to define progress — it’s because the Obama Administration has begun to side with the big banks and not some of the state AGs who want far greater fines and the ability to sue banks in the future.

“This may be the only thing that we have agreed on with the administration on in a long time,” said one senior banking executive with direct knowledge of the discussions.

This executive said that banking officials are hoping that the Obama Administration’s Justice Department will continue to apply pressure on the state AGs to agree on a deal when the two sides meet this Thursday and Friday in Washington.

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65 Responses to “Victimless Crime | Banks, Obama Administration Pressure AGs on Fraudclosure Settlement”
  1. Katheryn says:

    I have written to so many people and newspapers it has become a full time job. In addition, I have sent seven packages of letters and documents to my AG. I sent them all certified return receipt and know that each correspondence reached his office. I have also emailed him. I have never ever received a single response from him or anyone in his office. Not even a courtesy response. They do NOT care! I know TTT said not to be negative, but how can you kept fighting these theives with a happy smiley face? Newt Gingrich complained that too many of the OWS were leaving trash out and about and he didn’t care about the nice people carrying signs in protest, however, he wanted rid of the trashy trouble makers. So right there, what does that tell you? Who got the attention….the rebel rousers. It is true that the squeaky wheel gets the oil. Polite, quiet, nice, good dooby protesters won’t cut it this time around. I’m not pessimistic just pragmatic. These are not nice reasonable people we are dealing with here folks. They have managed to pull off the largest coup of all times and it was very well orchestrated and planned for a long time. They have committed CRIMES and it is NOT OK. They are all banking on this movement quietly dying off and going away. They will ignore it and continue on with their scheming. This is fact and I’m sorry it sounds negative.

    • talktotennessee says:

      Katheryn, I hear you! I know how frustrating fighting can be. Your AG ‘hears’ you but most do not respond to legal problems of individuals so he does not respond. Lawyers tend not put anything in writing anyway that ‘might’ be used against them. I once told an attorney representing me that I keep everything anyone writes or sends but I never put anything in writing that I would not expect to see written on the wall of just about anywhere. That is why I don’t engage in graffiti. . Just saying. . . .
      You have a lot of energy to share and it might help to change direction. I suggest anyone who can reach out to the media in various formats to do so. I subscribe to the NY Times, Washington Post and others online. Early every day they send me a link to their top stories. When an article is posted relative to my position on something, I write the writer or journalist who posted the article if he or she has a link. I have had responses to my emails, not just a pat thank you. Two asked for research to back up what I was saying on a subject. They sometimes respond but they listen because their articles are their ‘babies’ so to speak. Concentrate on those who are close to your subject or views. The others are usually too resistant to change. I often enter in major media comments section. If you do that, either enter a comment in the first few posted or if heavily commented, check out the “top comments” section, which is sometimes favorable to the article’s viewpoint or represents both sides. Choose the top comment to reply to his or her comment, yeh or nay, with a concise, well thought out message to get your main point accross. The comments will list top comments, all comments with the number # of “agrees or disagrees.” If a comment draws many votes, it has been read more. You will need to register on the websites and there are lots of them, NY Times, Washington Post, MSNBC, CNN, a few come to mind, maybe you know others, with large reader following. Some send a daily subscription post free, often in the middle of the night for the next day.. If you rise early, hit the comments section early in the morning, as early comments are more heavily viewed. Second, contact any celebrity websites, like Michael Moore or others who have appeared for OCCUPY and send comments to their websites encouraging them to support our efforts. If you have any contact with celebrity activists or think of any who could support our views, write them online, mail or encourage them. Also go on the OCCUPY websites and others. You get the idea. . .
      These are things anyone can do with no cost.

      There is more than one way to skin a cat (or a banker) as my mama used to say. The pen is powerful, use it to your advantage. You are one of the strong courageous workers. You must not give up!

      • Katheryn says:

        I do post on Yahoo and funny you mention Michael Moore as I have written him also. Good suggestions. I, like you, save all written material, sent or received. That policy saved me a whole lot of trouble on more than one occasion. I don’t write or say anything that I have any fear of repeating to anyone anywhere. That does not mean that there won’t be people who don’t like what I have to say, but I’m not timid about saying what I think. I do try, for the most part, to keep it constructive, even if it what I have to say is negative. People come in all shapes and sizes and there are the good the bad and everything in between based on our character as human beings not stereo types. We will all keep up the fight!

      • talktotennessee says:

        Yes we will keep fighting.
        Keep some humor going too! As Scarlet would say, “Tomorrow is another day.”

  2. talktotennessee says:

    You should note Fox news’ commentator is taking the side of banks in this piece by referring to robo-signing as a ‘victimless’ crime. This is the position of the banks, far right and others in Washington that those who defaulted on their mortgages deserved what they got even if the banks committed fraud in the process! Investors bought a pig in a poke TOO! They were greedy in wanting high yields on securitized products backed by real estate collateral in a housing bubble that many thought could not fail. So sympathy for investors and whether they are immune from bringing suit against banks is the least of our problems. I don’t think we are even on the AGs or banks radar at this point. What I fear most is that immunity from investor litigation will leave banks carte blanc freedom to proceed with foreclosures with no fear from homeowners or investors.

    We have no common voice unless it is the people OCCUPY on Wall Street and around the country. We must support this movement against big banking. Write the AGs, blogs, newspapers, etc. to get our message out that the AG settlement is detrimental to all of us, homeowners, investors, states, cities all except the banks. Settlement will leave big banking with their mighty reserves home free!

  3. talktotennessee says:

    We must unite if we are to win the battle against powerful banking and corporate influence. We need to encompass victims from both parties to get beyond political argument. We desperately need the OCCUPY movement and those who recognize and support or address it. What we don’t need is trash talk and negativity. It diminishes our cause, alienates supporters even when we are justified in our anger. We need solutions. Please post the following message to all your contacts: It is beginning dialogue from one with influence, whether you support the speaker or not.
    [President Bill Clinton] http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-met-bill-clinton-ideas-week-20111012,0,2576664.story
    “He called for reforms to the corporate tax system and said the economy will never fully recover unless the country addresses the mortgage crisis. He suggested that banks write down or extend existing mortgages at today’s low interest rates, and if people still can’t pay, allow them to lease their homes for five years with the opportunity to reconvert to a mortgage.”
    Those of you who are connected: Please repost his comment to all your sources. President Clinton still carries some influence and could help make this happen. If he speaks much in his new book (Back to Work) tour it could seriously be presented as an entrance to helping housing or recovery mode. He also mentioned the OCCUPY movement favorably and talked about Washington being paralyzed. Readers, we have so few options. We can’t count on the AGs and if we don’t speak up, speak forcefully, eventually others will speak for us.
    We must unite if we are to win the battle against powerful banking and corporate influence. We need spokesmen from both sides of the aisle and we need the OCCUY movement. What we don’t need is trash talk. It diminishes us even when our cause and the solution is correct.

  4. J. Alonzo says:

    Why do we keep on thinking anyone even cares. This country and its politicians have become so, so corrupt.
    When they don’t even go to great lengths to hide it anymore, then we have an even bigger issue. They just don’t care! They will lie to you directly to your face and tell you thats not whats going on, but yet thats what you see everyday. Banks committing fraud on the people, on our courts and they are being slapped on the wrist, at best.
    To them we are the Sheeple, fight back!

    • CaitlinO says:

      They DO think we’re sheep. What they absolutely don’t expect is that these sheep are beginning to grow fangs and claws.

      Do they care about what this debacle has cost the 99%? Not a tinker’s damn. So we need, every one of us, to work together, to join the Occupy demonstrations in our cities and MAKE them care.

  5. Beth A. says:

    I think Mario Kenny is on to something here — selling foreclosed homes so certain of the buyers can rent them. We live in a resort area and foreclosed homes have been selling for cash (big gulf front homes) much to the amazement of area realtors. Widespread – other realtors in surrounding communities are posting similar data.
    They don’t appear to be individuals buying up the houses – but “investors” – entities. When I get some spare time, I might have to do some entity research on these buyers (where they are domiciled and officers, etc.). I am curious, to say the least.

    Obama, riding on the White Horse, uh I mean White House of the Apocolypse. Doing what he set out to do.
    Ammo up people.

    • talktotennessee says:

      You are onto something Beth. I noticed here in Memphis in the past 2-3 years. Doing research for appraisals and comparable sales, I notice many sales purchased for ‘cash.’ Ownership is then hidden in a limited trust like a blind corporation. Some are sold to foreign purchasers for investment. As an appraiser, I can tell you that your prime gulf front property will return to value. it may take years but it will and those ‘holding’ could become billionaires. Even banks hold or “buy” their on foreclosures for pennies on the dollar and are now holding them but it is more likely investment groups, some wealthy, east and west coast or from oil rich nations with speculation money. Many very successful people made fortunes on real estate in addition to the stock market. Where stocks are a little volatile and there is enough money to invest, it may be a good bet. Had I money to invest I wouldn’t put it in stocks, I would buy strategically located real estate and lease it out.

  6. Katheryn says:

    The hispanic workers all called in sick in Alabama and it caused major problems because they all mainly work at the chicken plant. If everyone stopped buying anything the didn’t have to; called in sick; take your money out of the bank; stop paying any bills for one week, it would send a message showing what the “peons” can do. They speak of tax breaks and loop holes to corporations to bring jobs back to America. That is a lie. They want the tax cuts and loop holes to up their profit margins but it will not compel them to pay higher wages here when they can pay less overseas. I believe that the ultimate intent is to remove all regulations on businesses, give them more tax breaks and allowing them to pay less tax then their cleaning staff and pay themselves bigger bonuses. They will bring the jobs back to America once the unions are gone, the health benefits are gone, people are living in huts rather than homes, and they can then pay Americans the same wages as they paid in China and India. I’m just saying…that is the plan. The politicians will pave the roads any way that leads em to the gold. Think about it…while we are losing our homes, jobs, or job pay cuts, benefits such as vacation and sick leave, these arrogant politicians take their long and much needed vacations, give themselves pay raises, most of them own companies so therefore the perks, live in mansions, have fancy cars, planes, while we don’t know how long we will have a roof over our heads. Not only are they selfish greedy pigs, they laugh in our faces because they say we are a little upset but it is mostly jealousy because they have more. Truth of the matter is I never desired to be rich. We built a life to have a little security as we aged…but that is now gone. But jealous – no They all spew their political, “please pick me” rhetoric and it will make no difference in the end be it the Democrat or Republican, they all have the same personal agendas and it won’t be pretty for the average joes and joanns.
    I have watched the debates, followed the obama news, and I am tired of listening to all of their lies. Everything they say and do should be an insult to the intelligence of the average person. I am not feeling any good is coming our way. Hope I’m wrong.

  7. jaclyn says:

    THANK YOU Housemanrob for your comment on what the “others” are doing to make money off the fraudclosure crisis. These facts give me strength and keep me aware of why I am fighting back.

  8. jaclyn says:

    OF COURSE THE BANKS AND BANK OWNED POLITICIANS AGREE..IT LETS THEM OFF THE HOOK…!!

  9. keepon says:

    Whose country did Mr. Obama swear to preserve, protect and defend? I hear Ghadaffi is hiring.

    So it has been our own President and his US Attorney raping, pillaging, and plundering his own people. Can’t he see the carnage? This he terms ‘victimless?’ It has been He, all along, who has bound the judiciary. Didn’t we know that there was some grand master puppeteer pulling the strings in our courts just like the ‘bad’ cops in NYC stand on your jugular ‘because they can,?’ Now he is about to tell our 50 AGs how to find? “This is not what Democracy looks like.”

    This is Treason. Our sworn President allows this Nation to be ’flushed down the drain’ for his own selfish gain and political enrichment?

    When Clinton put the Oval Office, or the pantry, to the purposes to which he thought it worthy- Impeachment was called for. Wake up America! Our President has “…bound us hand and foot.”

    The banks have acknowledged a crime has occurred, albeit it victimless? Has President Obama not yet noticed that the Middle Class is near extinction , and on his watch? Is that ‘victimless?’

    When someone finds a check on the street, forges and cashes it, is the true owner of the account not a victim? Mr. President, you’d better ‘get to’ our Municipal Court Judges as well, as they have been charging VCCB penalties for years because such crimes have a victim and the thief must pay a penalty to the Violent Crimes COMPENSATION Bureau.

    Mr. Obama, You promised “change.” On that You have delivered. Michelle, Malia, and Sasha can be proud of what history books are about to record.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjfhOPCPJnE&feature=player_embedded

    Sir, we have done everything that could be done to avert the storm which is now coming on. We
    have petitioned; we have remonstrated; we have supplicated; we have prostrated ourselves
    before the throne, and have implored its interposition….

    Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual
    resistance, by lying supinely on our backs, and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our
    enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? (Patrick Henry)

    Rise up America!

  10. lies is all they tell says:

    what about we all write in elizabeth warren??? or do you think she is just another oswald?????

  11. lvent says:

    The banksters are saying…., You know the Hitler Plan Obama, you are being too compasionate to these peons…. we must fraudclose to collect the homes, for our owners….. and then they will rent the homes back to the peons after we steal them…….HEIL HITLER………! CONFORM OR PERISH, BECAUSE OF OUR OWNERS PLAN, THEY ARE NOW DEFENSELESS PEONS..ALL WE NEED TO DO IS ONE LAST THING, TAKE AWAY THEIR SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS……THEN AMERICA WILL BE OURS!!!!!! Tell the State AG’s to follow orders…or we will set them up with a scandal…or pop a cap in them…or something really evil.and if the peons put up a fight…they will meet my big huge laser……then, cue Dr. Evils laugh…

  12. lvent says:

    They don’t give a damn about any of us….this is a NWO GLOBALIST HITLER PLAN….to steal everything from the people under the guise of we owe too much debt…..That is the biggest lie ever told in our history…This is Wall Streets debt……MAKE WALL STREET PAY!!!! The Government(s) are lying about everything!…….the horrible economic conditions are manufactured and intentional……Everyone should stop paying and feeding this illegal and unconstitutional tyranny…..don’t use their banks, and walk out or their jobs and join the protestors…no one is safe from this strategic class warfare NWO HITLER PLAN..!!

  13. lvent says:

    What a cabal of assholes. What goes around comes around..

  14. jplotinus says:

    The bank claim of “victimless crime” is very telling. The banks haven’t got the right to redefine, to their benefit, what is or is not a crime. Further, the claim is false. Housing values first went way up as a result of the bubble their fraud allowed to happen. Now, nearly half of all homeowners are underwater where their primary asset, their home, is worth less than they owe on it.

    The collapse in housing prices and value is the clear and direct result and outcome of banker fraud. The robo-signing aspect was not a mere accident. That was done so as to shield higher ups from being traceable to any direct participation in the deeper layers of fraud that were taking place. Including, by way of example, the bundling of subprime and robo-signed mortgages into securities falsely labeled as AAA, when they were junk.

    If the State AGs cave in to the pressure of the apparently bought and paid for Obama administration, then all hell should break loose, with occupying state capitals as one of the first outcomes.

  15. Chris Henricks says:

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    • Chris Henricks says:

      comment removed

      • lvent says:

        NWO COMMIE MEMBER…A NAZI COLLABORATOR…A MODERN DAY JULIUS CAESER…HE DOES NOT CARE HOW MANY HE DESTROYS, KILLS AND MAIMS TO REACH THE NWO MAIN OBJECTIVE…A COMPLETE TOTALITARIAN GLOBAL TYRANY……ONLY THE TOP 1% WILL THRIVE AND PROSPER, EVERYONE ELSE WILL BE RENTERS OR DEAD IN THE GUTTER…NO OWNERSHIP OF ANYTHING OF VALUE……PRECISELY WHAT THE FOREFATHERS GAVE US A CONSTITUTION TO PROTECT US FROM….COMPLETE GOVERNMENT CONTROL…..OPRESSION OF THE PEOPLE BECAUSE OF TREASON AND TRAITORS FROM WITHIN….IGNORING THE RULE OF LAW AND THE U.S. CONSTITUTION AND CALLING IT JUST A GODDAMNED OLD PIECE OF PAPER…

      • Fury says:

        racial slurs are not necessary

      • Fury says:

        my comment was directed at chris hendricks.

      • lvent says:

        Chris Henricks, Some believe he’s Kenyan….Whatever he is, he’s a bad one…

    • lies is all they tell says:

      i guess they do not have the whole picture the. some people were actually current when they were told NOT TO PAY so who is responsible then.???? sickening sh-t ya”LL

      • lvent says:

        That was part of the Hitler Plan….HOPE FOR HOMEOWNERS MY ASS….!!!! HOODWINKED….AGAIN….!!!

      • lvent says:

        Like the Pink Floyd song..ALL IN ALL WERE JUST ANOTHER BRICK IN THE WALL…..and they say, We don’t need no education, we don’t need no thought control and in the end of the song they say…… AHA TRICKED AGAIN…!!!!

  16. Jeff Rendlestein says:

    This is such a biased crap article – I’m wondering why it was posted. Ok, the Banks are being “hurt” because they can’t evict people fast enough after theier homes have been “auctioned” back to the same bank, and then typically sold for a few more pennies on the dollar to vulture investors. This Adminstration is so god$@mn corrupt, moral hazard to these SOBs means that they can treat people like cattle.

  17. housemanrob says:

    …..why don’t people realize that there will be nobody left to buy homes when 60 million plus people have been foreclosed on…………why not save the homeowners……..and spare the economy……..because the banksters are covertly stealing the homes and money? Something very diabolical is going on here…..I don’t think we are dealing with 1%………..add in factor………99% of the courts and judges are in it for the bucks……….THE GREAT AMERICAN DISCRACE!

    • Mario Kenny says:

      but but but they will sell the homes to people in foreign countries, then we will be allowed to pay them the rent., in their foreign countries. and and and this is already happening especially in CA.

      • lvent says:

        That’s right..I asked an attorney…… What they are going to do with all of these fraudclosed homes, sell them to the foreigners? He looked like a deer in the headlights…and did not know what to say…This is a global plan for massive globalization…..stealing everything from the people as Obama said, spreading OUR WEALTH AROUND…..They already acheived that in 2008, it was the biggest financial coup de tat of our wealth in the history of the world…and all of the politicians, their minions and cohorts… were in on it…..and still are…

      • Katheryn says:

        They will burn down the those they consider risky neighborhoods. The great deals in the better neighborhoods that they will get for peanuts will then be rented at very high rates to all of us that have been made homeless. I read somewhere that Fannie Mae has already a plan of action. Then when the prices do start to rise, whenever that may be, they will be sitting on a gold mine of appreciation and the middle class will never be able to reacquire any wealth. (I use the term loosly)
        We will have low paying jobs with no benefits. No hospitaliztion or retirement benefits. Our taxes will then be raised and any tax reductions we had in the past by home ownership. We truly will be slaves to the corporations. Lets face it, they have little by little been stealing our Constitutional rights away from us as well as our homes. They have, indeed, been very clever. How did the average middle class let this happen? Nothing will change this course now except bloodshed.

    • lies is all they tell says:

      house, i wish they would realize this. they upper 1% think by moving foreclsoures through quicker is going to get these homes sold?? am i missing something. there is such a high unemployment rate who can get approved for a mortgage?? what about those of us who put the 20% down ???? i was current when wells fargo told me not to pay to apply for hamp and then moved my file out of review???

      • Mario Kenny says:

        well as more people lose jobs and get evicted and there are empty homes sitting, do you not think people will simply occupy the empty homes? and when sufficient people do this it will become normal.

  18. Arthur1137 says:

    The reason that people are delinquent on their mortgages is this: Public Central Bank – Fire The Fed

    “If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks…will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered… The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.”

    Thomas Jefferson

    Come on people, we knew this hundreds of years ago, what is new under the sun ? Power to the OWS !!!

    http://www.publiccentralbank.com/

  19. leapfrog says:

    I’m sure Yves from Naked Capitalism will have more in-depth coverage on this story. She’s been following the “settlement” PR stunt very closely. Can’t wait to see her take on it. She always tells it like it is.

  20. Chris Henricks says:

    That’s what OWS is all about Take down the system. No matter what it takes.

    Obama is either the most cooked president since Harding or dumber that a box of rocks. Or,Both?

  21. Katheryn says:

    No surprise. Stick it to the homeowners again. Same ole same ole. As I have said, all politicians have one thought process in mind and that is how can they make more money and keep most of it. Obama is no exception. I think that the upper income folks, $250 and above along with the 1% have wanted to push out the middle class for a long time. There will be no difference to us whether it is four more years of who we have or four more with whoever claims fame to life at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. There isn’t a difference in any of them. Greed and Power, that’s the game.

  22. Ron Moss says:

    There is also a need to fund up front legal fees for former homeowners to file claims

  23. Igor says:

    How many foreclosures will follow the foreclosure? Multiple Pledged loans on one property will not be resolved by foreclosure. WHO IS SPUDID ENOUGH TO BUY A FORECLOSURE?

    • Igor says:

      STUPID EGNOUPH

    • SO FAR i KNOW OF 3 PEOPLE WHO HAVE BOUGHT FORECLOSURES…..AND ALL THREE CLAIM THEY HAD ‘ IT CHECKED ‘ AND THEY ARE GOOD TO GO……LOL….I ENDED THAT CONVERSATION REAL QUICK……

      • Chris Henricks says:

        Every seen an unhappy Vulture? Feasting on some dead meat?

      • CHRIS…..Oh Ya….and they are pecking at it like it may be their last meal….One finds the dead carcass and more flock to the feast…..all rushing to get to the next dead carcass….same pattern the government uses……I guess the White House and the Financial Industry..and ROME..are filled with vultures….after all……..A VULTURE IS A GREEDY, RUTHLESS PERSON…..according to the dictionary………..

    • lies is all they tell says:

      people who do not know about these web sites. please i was one of them in 2009. when wells fargo started losing ,my paper work i started to wonder what what was happening and i started googling mod fraud and mortgage fraud. thank you everyone

      • lies is all…..I often think of those in other states and those who have no computer….just the stress of not knowing what is happening….some people just don’t think to search for help on the internet….or even search for forums dealing with foreclosures……it is sad that many are alone in their fight to save their homes…especially since there a few lawyers who will help.

  24. Mario Kenny says:

    Wow is all I can say to this

  25. Javagold says:

    Obama sells out the homeowners AGAIN

    • OBAMA WILL CONTINUE TILL WE START AN IMPEACHMENT……HE IS GUILTY OF TREASON……GET THIS JERK OUT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE……

      • lvent says:

        But CONgress would have to impeach him and they are all on the same NWO COMMIE payroll….!!! He only will get impeached if he tries to go against the NWO PLAN FOR GLOBAL TYRANNY…….That is how CONgress got Clinton to be a traitor….they did everything they could do to destroy him until he cooperated..NOW HE IS THE UN PRESIDENT OF THE WORLD!!!! AND HIS WIFE IS SECRETARY OF STATE….BOTH NWO ASS KISSERS…..and Bush, well he is just a flat out commie…..All of the bastards are essentially corrupt and useless….if they are not a member of the BIG CLUB, THEY JUST GET BOUGHT…..There is no one to vote for….period….they are all corrupt and useless..

      • I vent….Is that why Rouche said for Obama to resign…knowing that CONgress would not impeach….and he won’t resign…..Boy…they have this all planed real shrewd … sneaky bastards…..the law should not be that the people have no way to get an enemy out of office….and he is an enemy…..and he is guilty of TREASON…..you say there is no way to charge him with treason ? That don’t sound right……..maybe someone in the know can say what can be done…..maybe e-mail someone might help…..

      • I vent….Please clarify something……you said all along to end the Federal Reserve…and make our own money…..and now you say we can’t impeach Obama on Treason because he can only be impeached if he goes against the NWO Plan for Global Tryanny and that is how CONgress got Clinton to be a traitor………Soooo…..if CONgress seems to be in control and will not impeach Obama due to the NWO Plans….just how would we even end the Federal Reserve ? I don’t seem to click with this back and forth system. Would not the government refuse to shut down the Federal Reserve….that too is part of the Plan….if Congress will not impeach a president for treason, siding with the enemy…leaving the people no way or right to impeach…I do not see how we could even shut down the Federal Reserve system and CONgress may not let us make our own money….cause that too would be going against the NWO plans….. Do you understand my confusion on this……Is it we can’t do one thing but we can do another or what ?

      • I vent….Where has that housemanROB been lately ???? Seems he has been quiet…..or maybe camping out at OCCUPY……I may have missed his remarks cause I had 3 grandchildren at my home all fighting for my computer…..Not sure..but he may have some knowledge as to this issue that has impeded my brain …..how to shut down the Federal Reserve and yet we can’t impeach Obama ……reason I say Rob is he said Obama would not resign…we would have to impeach him…and you say we can’t.

      • housemanrob says:

        Marilyn my dear………I must work…….run my business…….you know…make a buck? But religiously, I am here every day,,,,,,,to comment and report……and I don’t think you have read my posts recently, lovely lady……….because if you were…..you would see I have had lots of thoughts I shared……….for recently I am more contemplative…and angry……..I said earlier tonight that I do not think we will ever get the ruling, wealthy elite…..to give up their power and wealth…..they will try to kill us first………we must be ready!

      • housemanrob says:

        Today I came into contact with dozens of associates…….they are gambling in the stock market, buying short sales and foreclosures without reviewing chain of title, etc, etc, etc. It is sickening……..they are asleep and will wake up broke one morning and then the violence will begin………because they are hardheaded and don’t care if they are ignorant…….and their lifestyles will be snuffed out………like a campfire in a thunderstorm!

      • Rob….Over the week-end I had grandkids and they all took over the computer….I had very little time on it so Yes…I did miss your comments….but glancing I did not see them… The autistic grandson stayed till Tuesday nite…so I lost alot of what was said. But I can tell the comments are getting stronger with hate…and it is rather scary…..The whole world is angry….something could happen anywhere……when it is least expected. How the hell did this ever get to this point without someone speaking out….you know…there are so many that are experts in this country and not one knew of what was going to happen..?? Until the foreclose fraud was found? I just can’t believe this whole country is under threats….it’s a nightmare….. My God will not let me down Rob… I have that feeling…. and I must keep my mind open that something will come of good……I can’t let evil take me over. ……otherwise the devil wins.

      • housemanrob says:

        Your right Marilyn………God won’t let us down…….but he is an after-life kind of guy……….

      • lvent says:

        Marilyn, it is going to be a rough road..They are all corrupt and useless….I have heard alot of talk about ending the FED but that is coming from the people…I watched Brad Meltzers Decoded last night about Fort Knoxx..No one knows for sure if the gold is in there or not…You can look for this episode online….The conclusion to the show was no one knows for sure and no one gets in there..I would have to say the entire monetary system depends on what is in there..As far as the NWO globalists agenda goes, we are going to need some true American patriots to get us out of that tyranny…..the only true American patriots I see are the American people…We have alot of work to do.this is war..None of these Politicians are for working for the people.they are all evil traitors and treasonists..part of the Big Club….they know we are all armed to the teeth and pissed off so they better make Wall Street pay their own bills or this is going to be ugly…Its gonna be a long cold winter here in Chicago…. that is all I know for sure…!

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